You're absolutely right about this, mike. I would make you an apology, but that is only reducing the natural state of human desires... my reason for saying that is simple. There is nothing 'natural' about what this event in fact makes. It's very make-believable acutally, and believe me I've been trying to make sense about how I feel with regard to the horror without having (thank god) a true to life experience. This is as close as true to life as it should ever get for anyone god forbid.
What I'm getting at is this. . . I've tried my best to rationally examine what issues I feel are relevant enough in encountering the dysfunctional reality. I think it's healthy for me to use Vincent Li as a personal scapegoat, to pursue some form of comfort in a psychological nature (for myself) when attemtping to come to terms with Li's psychotic episode. I suppose it's a model for the time-being, that the effect something like this has on the victim of this tragedy.
I guess what I've concluded is far from satisfactory, but if we're talking movies, I'd relate more with what happened in Dead Man Wallking if we're equating real life analogies with fantasy.
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^if you get this first part, then read on to this second part. . .
In chinese culture, if you completely accept (the contradicition of a crime you commited) then you automatically assume it is your duty/responsibility to yourself (i.e. dignity) to execute yourself. You are not only doing a service to yourself as a spiritual entity, but you are doing the right thing in the eyes and ears to status quo.
However. . . (this is the 3rd part of my opinion)
that in western culture, if you take apart the dichotomy of (chinese influenced eastern thought. . .) you must now take full responsibility for your actions and live with the consequences. For the most part, here in western culture, we degrade individuals instead of realizing the potential for healing power. Therefore, in this case Vincent Li if he were in Chinese totalitarian rule, he would be punished by means of Socratarian philosophy. Which is to say, Socrates would drink the hemlock given to him by the state, even if the state were wrong to do so.
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In this country, knowing the chinese tradition is a distinction unlike most 'western' functioning ideoloiges. All this relates to is that the eastern way of life, any person who is shamed unto the community which they live have no meaningful existence when compared to western thought. Today, I am of the opinion. . . to restore oneself in a means of 'irony' as if you must return to the eye that made you commit the crime.
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This individual in my sympthatic outfit was in fact, 'out of his tree'. . . which is not to say what he's done is unforgiving of him. This man clearly has done something that is the worst case imaginable. To trust he did this on such inconceivable grounds, warrants a definite awakening of the publics interest to help those with mental illness in a favorable light.
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I actually see the police not as subject to ridicule, but for the floundering use of tasers as a comedy of errors:
specifically. . .
that the police force (in the case of tasers) are a civil authority. Therefore, if one incident were to incriminate a police officer use of the taser, means everyone that uses tasers are invalid. . . that makes the argument a slippery slope.
On the other hand if tasers are used in the same manner, that is to say legal-use-of-tasers continue to defile the public interest as a lethal device (there runs the course of another slippery slope. . . ) but in this case the unmarked deaths that result in the cause of those fatal to it.
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I'm with hap. Clinical, is not an abrasive term, mind you. Do not punish yourself, BEFORE, making a decision to go. Act now. Then face consequences, later. It will be the easiest thing you ever did for yourself. Thinking about the what-could-be is a lot to deal with for people going through a time like yours. However, if you act responsibly, also taking it one step at a time. If you fail to do so, you will run the risk of minimalizing whatever the chance is in discovering/unconvering your dilemmas. Remember, this isn't about deflating depression, it's about feeling why you feel 'defeated'. It is for the same reason you will face your issues.
People in general feel intimdated when they get depressed mainly because they're confused without the clarity, becomes a major stumbling block, but it's not an obstacle that can't be overcome. Positive influences outwiegh the negative outcomes or potential pitfalls that deceive your better self. To better yourself you achieve results in thinking differently + seeking alternatives in order to cope.
In the meantime, focus on what you need to prepare for as if you were 'willing' to talk it out/ this is an ongoing thing you will learn to get better at doing. You need to pretend that whatever it is your hiding from yourself, can be talked about outloud with someone. You may be surprised with what you gain/learn in your experience. Do not internalize this (negative thoughts), so it becomes a defense mechanism. Otherwise, you'll be projecting everything against yourself rather than be willing to share it openly and honestly (. . .with some form of treatment.) Remember about 'you' is the 'me' doing the treatment.
In the process you'll find ways to deal/facilitate with what it is that's bothering you. Start from the inside out, rather than going to the outside in. Coming it from an objective manner will reinforce the negative impact/energy stopping you from doing what you should be doing.
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I happened to have a conversation with an interesting take on evolution. I saw a shooting star this weekend. During the same conversation, then we began discussing the origins of the universe. Someone then said: scientists propose to prove the big-bang theory. Another said, that's impossible. TO which someone else replied, "That must mean you're darwinist."
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If I had a large pizza I would sooo be sharing the smallest piece with all of you right now.
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The problem here is simple, let's not flip-flop on the issue that merk seems so frantic about, then decide. Obviously, there is a winner, the police are not to be given unrestricted use of tasers. That is all this boils down to.
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Quote from: Hap on August 02, 2008, 07:20AM
The guy has earned a bachelors degree, holds a steady job and is taking care of his family. I wouldn't call that the "bare minimum."
Here's a solution:
Mike and I create a diversion, we'd be singing the star-spangled banner, whilst becky snuffs out merks beer. In the process vegas can be wearing a shirt that reads: Taser ME. (on the front) Mens Rea (on the back).
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Quote from: swedes on August 02, 2008, 05:42AM
It does actually. Marco is very tight with his family. It is his choice to live there with them. It may even be cultural. Not sure. I don't think he should be ridiculed for living there.
Great, now I'm going to have to kill someone based on your honor toward me.
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Seriously, I've told you this before - stop posting. Go back to your ewok board.
*This has nothing to do with my response to sadie. I meant it, sincerely. Please do not take offense to what I'm saying, I am sick of vegas, now beaf, as well as merk using this as a hiding place for inferiority complex. Don't think I'm not objective about this, I can seperate the dung with my retard-friendly super powers.
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Quote from: goonie on August 01, 2008, 11:06PM
I was watching Global news tonight - and they ended this story with "As we remember little Tim - The Carnie who cared".
I shit you not. Dede and I bursted out laughing. Wtf. Who thought that was a good idea?!
This whole thing is a cruel injustice of the surreal.
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Listen, as far as your mouth may travel across this Internet board I've lost any kind of respect for you. You are unintelligent, judging by your "taser-me" thread.
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Quote from: Vegas on August 01, 2008, 11:04PM
have fun with that
Get bent you annoying unadulterated idiot fuck.
best regards,
deviant one
P.S. Not to be confused with as the socially awkward guy because he chooses to face cop-outs. . . merk, beaf-fuck, vegas-bunghole.
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Quote from: beaf on August 01, 2008, 07:24PM
champions typically don't find every opportunity to play the victim
I completely agree with you. 110%
. . . back to your ewok board.
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Quote from: Sadie on July 31, 2008, 02:52PM
that would be EXACTLY what the Joker is...read the comics. The Joker isn't meant to be funny, he's very scary, in fact, because he is a sociopath in the extreme. Then dress him like a clown - you have a terrifying villain.
As far as the voice on Batman, it's what he does...I just didn't understand why he was doing it with people who knew his identity, lol. That seemed holy retarded. Otherwise appropriate.
Also, Batman kind of is like an anti-hero, only in that he can be very unlikable (again, read the comics) as opposed to some of the other, friendlier superheroes.
I honestly appreciate your thoughts, so not to disagree with you. . . however. What I meant by the portrayal of this joker in the dark knight, is that he was played to an extremity of sort. The sort of thing that to my estimation, seemed brutally over played as if I started to EMPATHIZE with the joker, but not as a super-villain but as a human being that has immeasurable mental/physical illness. Please, don't underestiamte what that means (again. . . I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation.) However, what I felt in my personal afflicition with the joker, I seriously forgot I was watching a super-villain, I'm not joking. I'm not sure if I'd be the one person who felt that about it, but I'd be inclined to see if people that read this would say, "Hey - I got that feeling to."
As for Batman, I said enough of Bale's performance. I didn't buy it one minute.
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I honestly have difficulty in fathoming how calling a man 'socially awkward' gets off on some trivial retreat in calling me that? I would think the correct term is 'deviant'. Even so. Deviance is a trademark of champions.
thank you kindly.
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The people I'd love to meet on this board are becky/mike. I can't win. But thanks mike.
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I just want to know what the guy was thinking, as in, will (the killer) reveal any detail why he felt something toward (the victim). I seriously doubt we'll here any true confession as to what tempted him, but I'm hoping the killer will have aslip of the tongue, as in some form of racial profiling, "Yeah, I almost caught the guy stealing something from me." something as small as that. It's probably going to be nothing, though. Just a random violent attack.
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re; vegas
Shocking. You're so counter-intuitive, that you actually refuse to enlighten us with your tremendous dissection of the facts. I applaud you. Does this mean I get to be tasered???
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sorry, i'm still trying to internalize how great that comment was. Because bullies enjoy disguising their true misperceptions of other people's virtue, as if in some magical reasoning, think they know what's already happened?? It is laughable to say the least, but I'm glad to. I honestly don't know what to do with that type of ego.
I am a cleaner. I am living with my parents. (To answer your question.)
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Quote from: Vegas on July 31, 2008, 01:15PM
I found it a bit hard to get through what you were trying to say for most of your post, but understand what you're saying and pose a question to you based on your last sentence:
Were tasers not brought in, in the first place to be used as a tool that stood between just plain old jumping on the guy and using the gun? A tool to be used as a NON-LETHAL weapon? I would believe that the deaths that have occurred as a result of using tasers was not the intention of the police officer.
I don't know who has the power to stand up first and say this issue needs more looking into.
Your last sentence is your first problem.
Second, I agree with you, I couldn't put it any better myself. . . A taser should absolutely be used as a NON-LETHAL weapon. To answer the purpose of your question, in even lesser detail than I already have.
It appears the main topic of concern, is that no choice can be made to 'kill' someone unless (the officer's intent) is holding a NON-LETHAL weapon. How curious that is, which is to say, anything used as an accessory to purposely prevent death should be the officer's main priority. Tasers act as a satisfactory tool in serving that. Again, I agree with you. (Remember, we're using your line of thinking/linear pattern for logic.)
^If this is all true: the main question now becomes (which you haven't attempted in even ASKING. . . ) Why should tasers be used as LETHAL weapons?
In your opinion, lethal weapons, does not constitute as tasers. Which in my opinion is completely false, given the exact origin of what you fully described, can only jeopardize a potential victim of being shot with a stun-device also causing DEATH. In fact, you have failed in answering the same question I asked, which was: should tasers be used as LETHAL weapons. You dismissed it (again using your logic) that tasers are meant to be used as non-lethal weapons, therefore, the intent to kill a person is not at all present. In question the reality is, that, tasers should not be used even as "non-lethal" stun-devices which would cause death. If you say tasers are not lethal, you've avoided the question entirely. Which is exctly the anti-thesis against which the police are doing.
The right thesis: is should tasers be used as weapons? (police avoids question.)
Answer: tasers are not lethal. (which they are.)
It takes a genius to see this exaclty as it should be.
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Dad was really pissed off when he found out how much I was spending on dope.
I wouldn't dare. I'd just say: don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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^ and if some idiot is copping out in saying it's "borderline", it's just a cop-out, nothing more.
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It's just odd when people have no idea what they're talking about, stem from their own ineptitude on a mission. I mean, if you have no intellect to offer, you probably have no reason to exist in the first place. So, you know.
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No, I call it feeble use of one's imagination, but nothing I mean nothing to do with stalking. The borderline thing is what set me off. Cute though.
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Quote from: Vegas on July 31, 2008, 04:58AM
So Tasers ARE the issue....
I'm asking this, because I'm not sure what the regulations are: Is there a level of the officer's security that has to be reached before a taser can be thought of as an option? Ex. A cop won't pull a gun on someone he just pulled over for going 120 in a 100 zone. Not in Canada anyways.
^^first read what hap says.
Secondly, it reinforces my own subjugation that questions, specifically, the intent that any officer carrying a weapon (in this case tasers) has in using an 'alternative' to imposing any use of tasers. The risk of altercation between a person that might need an officer to deploy tasers, right now is not contingent with any reprimand, based on the fact "tasers are safe". That should tell you, any police action if it requires a reasonbale use of force is taken into consideration. For this purpose a dichotomy that tasers should be used or not, is not even a question they're being asked. The level of incomptence, therefore, widens the scope of how 'practical' can tasers be used if it can also be applied as a LETHAL hand held device??
That can only tell you, as in the RCMP tasering a man to death in Vancouver, that the force used only made the assailant a victim of police discharging a LETHAL WEAPON. The case in favor of tasers could only provide evidence that they should not have been used, even if the protocol suggests otherwise. Tasers should be strictly enforced as a categorized lethal weapon.
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Quote from: Hap on July 31, 2008, 09:46AM
I figured you'd vote for the other conservative, Christian war candidate, John McCain.
No - no, if one says war is 'good' the other says war is 'bad'. It's a cop-out's cop-out. I blame the Amercian history of deceit, that will initiate force on any given day. It makes me smile, really.
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Quote from: Hap on July 30, 2008, 11:19AM
Well you're half right. If he were rejecting American policy - the parts I don't like at least - I would respect him a whole lot more.
There is absolutely no question in parody of respect for a potential president elect, that has a cake walk prepared from the get go, due to what the Bush administration has left untidy. Everyone is completely immune to the fact that no matter if Obama is elected or not is irrelevant, to the conditions imposed by Bush's reign as president. If anything, what the reality that exists are formed because of Bush's footprints, which Obama will undoubtedly have his way in covering up the blueprints, without having to excuse himself to the public wherewithal. It astounds me how inept we become due to the gravity of Obama's meager representation.
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What's so tight about that, all I see are the shorts.
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^ so yeah, overrated movie, great action. But the machines are cool.
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Quote from: beaf on July 31, 2008, 02:52AM
is that your professional opinion
That depends on what you mean by professional.
The scenes of Bale were hovering on absurdity, as if batman were an actual villain or anti-hero. Some of the scenes involving batman were borderline - I felt it was the scenes where batman has monologues were poorly executed - I just didn't believe Bale was Batman at all.
Then of course. . . the joker.
Everyones favorite super-villain, I think they did a good job in making him terrifying, but at the same time oddly enough likable. The problem with the joker was that he seemed more as if a purturbed emotionally psychotic individual, than another super-villain having fun. . . which disturbed me. Nobody is supposed to like the joker - but I think everyone in the theatre liked him best. Therefore, the plot by the end leaves you wondering if the joker outlives batman, which was anti-climatic but unpredictable a story-line. I was disappointed by the end of the movie, otherwise watching 2 morons facing each other was worth the price.
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The guy must have finished watching batman before his bustrip/murder.
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So I saw it last night. The movie was alright. I'm glad I waited. . .not like half the nut-jobs that wanted to break down the doors to see it when it first came out. I'm glad I ignored the hype, and just saw this movie without the false fascination surrounding it. No joke. Just a regular movie, that deserves some credit. That's all I'm saying.
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Quote from: toonces on July 23, 2008, 04:27PM
Cops without tasers, means tasers are safe.
^ What this means is in the public interest, either take away the use of stun-devices or subject them to the status of lethal weapons. . . not just the 'alternative' to hand-guns.
We're totally oblivious to this right now.
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Tasers are not an issue. What is an issue is that any form of stun-gun device is potentially as lethal as a hand-gun. The debate must be given its proper context, otherwise it flies over the radar, and is therefore meaningless.
If people in the public awareness of stun-gun devices, were to hold a referendum on whether guns as in this case "Tasers" are in fact lethal? I would say the answer is a resounding 'yes'. Second, are stun-devices just as prone to killing people as would the use of a hand-gun. . . again the answer is 'yes'.
Now the question:
The question as (I have identified. . . ) that hand-guns equate with the use of stun-gun devices, should be placed in the same category as hand-guns? Again, the answer is 'yes.'
What all this means^ is that stun-guns have been deployed with a trial basis of being used resulting in fatality CAUSING death. IT IS not a QUESTION of whether police had the right to (-such-and-such- a ?reason?) to deploy the use of a LETHAL weapon. Therefore, if stun-guns are identified as LETHAL weapons, there must be a clear prohibition to justify the use of such a WEAPON.
Right now, Tasers are not presented as lethal weapons when you turly think about the QUESTION (. . .given the nature of when should "Tasers" be deployed?. . . ) is a flaw in the police system. Until we in the public interest cohesively reject the idea that 'tasers are a safe alternative' the police will only tell us it's meant for our own protection. When the reality is, we're being lied to in the sense that stun-guns aren't lethal. They in fact are as lethal as bullets, that inject voltage into a persons body.
How blind are the masses to this??????? The news isn't going to spoon feed you what to believe here.^
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Unless you are completely ignorant to the ideas I presented herein, (along with merk of US sovereignty), I accuse both of you for using some form of contempt or denial. . . whichever of the two fits your vague notion regarding my own rather eloquently put defintions. Let me put it to you this way, I am not a 'stupid' individual, not by any stretch of the imagination. You'd probably be surprised at how often I introduce myself to people, who are either trying to belittle me of which I pose in a non-threatening manner. . . they start listening in a hurry. I guarantee you though, in reality, I am not a stupid or complacent indiviudal. When it comes to such ridicule such as,
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BigC has his parents to thank for participating. One day his parents will die and he'll either inherit the house or the money made from the sale of the home and property. None of which I am sure he is going to share with anyone (to any meaningful degree) and without one ounce of complaint. He knows this to be true as well.
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What I figure for me is though, when it comes time for me to find a home, i'll compare the prices to location and if the prices are too high just outside a city, i'll move a bit further out in the country.
Was talking to this guy who knows a guy who bought a plot of land, looked around for a house that was going to get demolished or that someone didn't want, paid 5 grand for the house, paid 20 grand to move the house to the plot of land. Lived there for a few years, fixed it up, then sold the whole thing for around 700,000.
^These are the types of arguments that only lead to no certain kind of solution, nor is it addressing the real problem of such incremental value.
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What I was explaining is that in a country such as ours, with the quality of life we share, it's unacceptable to me. . . that we should live in a society that is blind to the acts of corruption. In this case, my virtual personal welfare as a consumer of a residential property.
The potential of such increase in a sky-rocketing real estate market place, is two fold, because people will pay whatever the cost.
I also provided my own view that the government (because all property regardless of it's ownsership. . . ) is crown property. In that case we live within a society of ignorant socio-economic individuals that may or may not act irresponsibly due to their lack of income, combined with poor spending habits. As result this increases the risk of inflation, and the effort to deploy or decrease the average price of homes based strictly on what it's worth. . . requires an agency to oversee this contradiction.
The equity people have compared to the real estate as it stands today are eye gouging to say the least. It needs to stop. We're not talking about infringing about people's rights, it's about taking government action for reasonable social policy. I blame people that are going to the banks (banks/do nothing to provide solutions) but mortage their property for a 20-25 year term. In the process the 'investment' reduces our place as consumers to unreasonably high priced levels. I blame not only the banks, but profit motives, which good responsible government would take into consideration. There is nothing anyone could do about that. . . especially those that are blind to it everyday.
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You guess.
In a country with the quality of life Canada has this standard is completely unacceptable. It borders on the intolerable in fact, that people are only blind to it.
Acting with genuine sophistication (i.e. living in my parents basement) without conceit , displaying human decency is much different than opposing forces that obey only because of how rich you are.
As a matter of thinking: I've seen pics of beck's/mike's digs. . . are you telling me that taste in lifestyle is anything less 'luxurious' than that of the pics in Jenn Good's webpage?? I believe not. It's contemporary living with the influence of modest urban property. Nothing wrong with that I'm afraid. The definition of the market place is becoming two-fold it's outrageous. That is plain and simple, merk.
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My apologies, I thought it served purpose more toward the solicitation/beheading of the former Miss. Jenny Good. Putting all that aside, I Will divulge becky with agreement. . . however, those 'luxury' style condos are nothing more than a contemporary living module. To add the term 'luxury' to it makes it seem less affordable than it sould be to articulate the point I made.
As for the 'food for thought' comment my friend mike gave. . . there is a disparity among real estate/consumer gouging that has to stop. Why not the government that controls the allocation of property (crown) land. It amazes me how ignorant people must be, to subdue their well being to the mainstream line of thinking, that only go so far to jump at whatever cost. There has to be a happier medium, which is to say that people cannot afford to lose control of their spending habits just so they can feel they're playing catch up (i.e. staying in the game. . . ) thus this promotes an unstable market driving up costs virtually needlessly to say the very least.
Real estate agents like Jen are making a crap load of money, just so easy, that it makes the blood thicken. What ounce of intelligence does that of a cocaine loving female persuasuion have; we joke about how high house prices we have lost control over?? I think we beg to differ.
There's a purging among buyers (delluded in their 'investment' as a long term wager. . . ) against sellers (that want to cash in.) The parody is capitalist in ideology, but it refutes the norm that we're paying far to much based on equity. The masses are completely blind to it, and this has to stop immediately.
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On a serious side note: it'd be a fantstic day to see a push in government, (Though the thought is wishful at best. . . ), that one would institute a good social policy into regulating the real estate market. After all it is crown property and the government of Canada would be in full control of an agency that would over-see the price of making home ownership more affordale. The benefit would be ten fold, in terms of reducing the risk of potential rising inflation due to a moderate cost of living expense. This would also increase the control of mortages that people would be able to reasonably afford.
Of course this takes vision, but it's definitely doable.
The incredulous hike in the real estate market is of primary concern. Real estate agencies are cornering the market which drive the price of homes to its consumers sky high. This is reaching an intolerable state of social welfare for people in this day and age that simply cannot afford to pay out a 20+ year mortage. It's inconceivable to me, that people acutally pay the prices that they are blind to the eye gouging within the market place.
It's becoming a serious enough issue that this has also become a detrimental effect on potential home owners equity. What this means is what houses are retailing for, most people might not be able to afford.
I simply cannot comprehend the logic behind such ludicrous change in the market right now. In fact, I do not protest it one bit, instead I plan not to sell an arm and my legs for the cost of a new./used. house. People without the supplemental income to purchase a house, are already going into debt without even thinking of the consequence, because they either can't afford to be complacent, but choose to.
The average person today that makes an 'above-average' income, should be capable of paying the interest on mortages. However, this is a cause for the government to levy itself against how much it generates from collectable taxes, as opposed to people of less-than-average incomes that outweigh the balance. This means that the government can profit from a system for houses that sell at a premium rate for above-average-incomes, should also stabalize the prices for moderate priced homes.
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Quote from: swedes on July 28, 2008, 09:46AM
the prices are crazy.
That has to be an understatment.
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Good thread. Great observations.
I wholeheartedly agree with the misconception of the american populus if obama is to become their next president elect. To put it quite frankly the absolution between Bush/Obama are almost identical in their mindset.
The main difference being that Obama has Bush to use as a scapegoat in terms of image, as (hap put it), the illusion of diplomacy is Obama's magic number.
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Anywho, been absent from the board in well close to 2 years now. i haven't missed a beat really.
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^geez i hate vancouver. i mean right up there with toronto in my books.
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^i mean honestly, what has this world come to? i'll never know i guess. 1mil+ for a condo that micheal j. fox lived in. Yeah, probably not.
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i luv spinach. . . especially in lasanga.
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^sweet. The cup of coffee was wayyy better, beck.
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Quote from: swedes on July 27, 2008, 03:01AM
I have no idea what I was doing this time last year.
thank you for the purdy picture, marco. i'll draw you one too. gotta think of what to draw tho.
any ideas?
As long as you can draw me a barn with you holding a glass of shiraz
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^ If you want to take this next topic of focus one step further merk, by all means. . .
What we already know is, Germany is a super power within the European union, what a perfect way to enshrine a potential future selling-point for a potential US president. Obama is there to leave with keys to the power of trump-cards. Let's not bullshit here, merk. I mean come on, you know that's why Obama is there.
When I read stupid articles in the media stating how "Obama wants the nuclear (Iran) program seized immidiately." What an insult to the intelligence of those ignorant to the fact, those same manufatured nukes are already paid for. How hard is that for Obama to pull rank and play hero on such a contensious issue?? It's mind boggling.
On a side note, what's been done for Tibet - like - Ever? I mean, this Obama stuff is hazardous to my health.
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Honestly, I thought I covered the bases pretty nicely with my posts, it wasn't intended to rekindle meaningless debate/banter. (If you look closely enough at what I presented in truth.)
The element of contradiction is perfect for an Obama made-in-germany ad hoc campaign. Such an illusion would only fuel the paper-puppets row upon row of such onlookers. It kind of sickens me to no end actually. If people in general are so repressed that they need an emotional uplifting speech from a sub-par candidate, it could have been anybody, but because it's obama. . . I mean really.
Let's not go there. It's silly. It's pointless.
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^Not to burst your obama_bubble corky, but when you think about what you just read. . . in that 'futuristic' sense, which obama has upgraded his candidacy to a premium. What we're talking about is that Napolean Dynmaite 'vote for pedro' speech where he states "I'll make your wildest dreams come true." In terms of evolution, because this is in Germany how it reminds the world of a pro-african american that defies the odds against the fascist rule that stigmatized that country. It's a very clever political afadavit leading the election campaign. I guarantee you that this 'made in Germany' approach is a strategic effort to sway the current right leaning republicans into a dizzying spiral.
They're using Germany as a platform based upon the present day "we're taking back america" from the right-wing hypocrisy.
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Obama doesn't make me feel anything. Maybe that's why so many people showed up. Eager to fill that void, from a 'potential' leader that makes full disclosure in the public circle. If the average democracy in this world, such as in this case Berlin, had more to look forward to than a US presidential candidate public appearance. Obama carries very little mystique.
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(Of course what the csis agent was referring Khadr to was how "the law" treats it's citizens in the middle east where they are maimed ergo capital punishment.)
Is this not true hap?^ In accordance to the non-specific standards commited by the csis agent, I would say that technically in practice his interrogation blatantly purges upon Khadr. The result of this stereotyping Khadr is appalling.
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The time that Khadr is 'bleeding his heart out' to the response: "I think you're getting good medical care. . . you still have your eyes, you're feet are still at the end of your legs you know. . ." In my opinion this translates into, "You have 2 feet, two hands you're still alive. . .etc." What this revealed really did it for me. (Of course what the csis agent was referring Khadr to was how "the law" treats it's citizens in the middle east where they are maimed ergo capital punishment.) The sociological impact of the csis officer's interrogation are quite simply astounding to say the least.
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The guy interviewing Khadr is an imbicile as well.
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100 General Category / General Discussion / have you ever on: July 09, 2008, 09:01AM
. . .met a person so interesting in your life; that when you speak with them it makes your day that much brighter.
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Unless Sundin signs with a contender; I seriously doubt a guy of his stature will even bother taking Vancouver. He wants a chance to win, not just get paid to bring a mediocre team like the Canucks into the post-season. Getting rid of Naslund would be a start then go from there. But to offer Sundin 10mil is a desperate move, what the hell they're thinking is a joke. Edmonton, Calgary, Mtl and Ottawa are the teams that have built through the draft + trading. Anaheim has got to be doing something right since Burke and now Nonis are back together. Vancouver and Toronto will be falling to the tank of sharks below next season. . . you'll watch.
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I suppressed my urge to go to the beach no longer. . . so today I made a 1hr trip toward lake winnipeg. It was a surprising turnout, which the weather cooperated much. The great weather is a welcome time for summer. Spent the afternoon there, lemonade, mini donuts, and sunbathing. (Kind of making me wonder when the next occassion will be.) No matter.
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Holy kripes. 60k. Anyway, when I do my stationary it's mainly for regulating the waist size + cardiovascular system. I never thought cardiovascular health would be as beneficial to me as it has been. A total uphill climb; but i've never attributed the kind of shape I'm now in before I started.
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This deserves an ingenious response; simply because our news media neglects to focus on the immoral validation of the war, since they've gone so far to support it, that it leaves the masses to wither in naive ignorance of the truth.
In my view: there is one short message that echos to this history of war in Iraq.
When you know in your heart there is something that should be said, but you don't know what else to say about it - it's probably a nightmare. On the other hand, if there's one thing you'd wish that could happen, it'd be that the perpetrators of such gluttony would come forward and state, "It's all been an accident, we realize what is better after we decided to unilaterally absolve our humanity, thus contribution to the war effort. As such we apologize and regret the actions accountable. Our addmission is that we are sorry and let this not happen in future time." Then we'd measure that sentiment with a statement of our own, that we're not going to punish anyone because we appreciate the solid confession is a step forward in the right direction, leaving us to believe that a new kind of thinking has been found - something we've been unconsciously waiting for yet suspicious it might someday be spontaneous we all agree to it.
Sadly, the reality is not this^. The reality we face is waging war against ourselves because that's what makes the world turn, with money to burn.
However, when you think about it, it's totally unselfish thinking (as in my example of it. . . ) that could save us so much trouble it's almost ridiculous to mention. Honestly, in my mind, the world is a shoestring attach to greatness as in my example suggests, yet - we are either totally completely blind to it as such, yet it's so fucking obvious. I mean honestly. ?Have you ever read anything so cut and dry it makes perfect sense, that the world is at your fingertips ^ that was it.
P.S. I've said from day 1 it was all about oil + CNN.
Wednesday, August 06, 2008
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
hitting the pressure of a poker match
I hear you there about Roberts. But the point is the opp. defense forces Glenn to keep the ball on every option the off. runs. That would mean if Dinwiddie were to fake the option, and do a bootleg, then maybe flip a shovel pass or screen might be more effective. Bootlegs are kind of deadly on passing situations though, so I wouldn't be surprised if the option is called, that dinwiddie SHOULD keep it himself, then look for roberts in an out pattern.
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bigcanadiano wrote:
I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
When they run that option hand off with Glenn, it isn't fooling anyone. Everybody knows Glenn isn't going to keep it and run, so they all pull down ontop of Roberts.
Dinwiddie on the other hand, does have the ability to take off with it, so they can't cheat towards Roberts on that play, which will give Roberts just enough of a hole.
The running game, should, start to open up now.
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I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
Here's the thing pigs_eye:
we can point at taman for our next topic of focus, however, talking solutions not (as in taman) part of the problem.
1.1. we've had the 'we need to play our back-ups' more often due to lack or inexperience in case our #1 goes down. (my reason follows)
1.2. now that we're in the position NECESSARY to give back-ups the snap counts, I see no obstacle in doing just that.
We need to overcome this inability to perform, while not shooting ourselves in the foot over it. It forces the coaches into alternatives that opposing teams don't LOOK out for.
I blame this entire mess squarely on Bauer's shoulders.
Nobody deserves this going into Thur. nobody. All of the sudden we're dinwiddie'd to death, but done taking risks at 0-4. I don't think we'll be showing up aces on Thur. if you ask Berry.
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I know, come Thur. what about after ever '2-and-out' the music heard over the pa_system blares out Kanye West lyrics. . . "18 years, 18 years" representing how long it's been since a GC.
Or each time we get into the red zone, Wayne/Garth dancing to "We won $10,000. . ." appears on the jumbo-tron.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 12:06 AM
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I'd start at the top with Bauer, he's done his thing with the finances, now it's time for somebody who can bring a sense of pride back to the organization. For the last 20 years, many great players have passed over the Bombers as an option to play.
This latest thing with the cheerleaders is just another example of how far things have deteriorated with the organization.
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I see the head cheerleader's need to resign was rather forthcoming of her to do so, but it really wasn't necessary if Winnipeg as an organization stepped up to help detract the undesirable women that started it all. It's a tough situation to be in, but she made a gutsy move in resigning. I know I would.
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bigcanadiano wrote:
I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
When they run that option hand off with Glenn, it isn't fooling anyone. Everybody knows Glenn isn't going to keep it and run, so they all pull down ontop of Roberts.
Dinwiddie on the other hand, does have the ability to take off with it, so they can't cheat towards Roberts on that play, which will give Roberts just enough of a hole.
The running game, should, start to open up now.
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I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
Here's the thing pigs_eye:
we can point at taman for our next topic of focus, however, talking solutions not (as in taman) part of the problem.
1.1. we've had the 'we need to play our back-ups' more often due to lack or inexperience in case our #1 goes down. (my reason follows)
1.2. now that we're in the position NECESSARY to give back-ups the snap counts, I see no obstacle in doing just that.
We need to overcome this inability to perform, while not shooting ourselves in the foot over it. It forces the coaches into alternatives that opposing teams don't LOOK out for.
I blame this entire mess squarely on Bauer's shoulders.
Nobody deserves this going into Thur. nobody. All of the sudden we're dinwiddie'd to death, but done taking risks at 0-4. I don't think we'll be showing up aces on Thur. if you ask Berry.
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I know, come Thur. what about after ever '2-and-out' the music heard over the pa_system blares out Kanye West lyrics. . . "18 years, 18 years" representing how long it's been since a GC.
Or each time we get into the red zone, Wayne/Garth dancing to "We won $10,000. . ." appears on the jumbo-tron.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 12:06 AM
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I'd start at the top with Bauer, he's done his thing with the finances, now it's time for somebody who can bring a sense of pride back to the organization. For the last 20 years, many great players have passed over the Bombers as an option to play.
This latest thing with the cheerleaders is just another example of how far things have deteriorated with the organization.
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I see the head cheerleader's need to resign was rather forthcoming of her to do so, but it really wasn't necessary if Winnipeg as an organization stepped up to help detract the undesirable women that started it all. It's a tough situation to be in, but she made a gutsy move in resigning. I know I would.
military time: losing patience: psychosis
I'll add to that for certain, which I empathize with how candid Hamilton is of its team. In Winnipeg's case it's very different, considering the fact Randall deserves to have at least been inserted through some point of turn. I highly doubt this is blasphemy considering an 0-4 start to the season with an inept offense. It's really that serious here.
No matter what Bob the snob Irving does to live down how bad the team is right now, (listening to Irving rudimentary football huddle).
Tonight, it was John Huffnagel doing Irving the honors, and Huff played Irving like a fool knowing full well the consequences.
Who votes 'yes' in this poll sees exactly what's at fault.
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Dinwiddie has a lot to prove:
1.0 The coaches know Dinwiddie is trigger happy, they'll hold him to strict play-calling as they did in the GC.
1.1. Dinwiddie has a lot of trouble running into what he reads opposed to what his DECISIONS are. He might make the right read, but he's to greedy when it comes to what he WANTS to to with the ball.
1.3. Thus dinwiddie's int. ratio increases.
This reminds me of former qb coach mike working's son, posted a story on ourbombers after dinwiddie's performance in BC last season. He witnessed a comment made toward dinwiddie, when questioned about a long passing attempt. The coach said: 'you'd never make that throw.' It's indicative of dinwiddie's over compensating tendencies, that simply won't just go away unless you are of the 'hear no evil see no evil' type.
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Serna should have been year long ago, Troy was released about 4 years too late.
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You guys make it seem Dinwiddie's breast-feeding for the backup role and you're all surrogate candidates for the in-vitro. If the Bombers (as I fully expect. . .) wet the bed, instead of Randall, then go back to Glenn without any question??? The fact is this team hasn't scored points on offense, there is no reason that Randall shouldn't be given playing time. Berry is completely covering his tracks, the trouble is the footprints are as large as an elephant it's hard keep the hiding place secret.
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GOD. 0-4 man. 0-4!!!111LO1 This isn't ridicue it's madness that people don't see what the hell is going on but put the dagger in it.
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blue&gold4ever wrote:
OK this is ridiculous i know and i have never been a KG fan, he reminds me of Khari Jones
It's a stretch to say, but I'll say it anyway, this looked more to me like a curse of Kerwin Bell.
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Nobody here is blaming Dinwiddie, I'm just not so narrow minded to believe in the second-coming of a miracle. That being said, tell me when it comes down to the sense of what really matters most?
2.0 = the bombers at 0-4 haven't managed an offense that generated only 1~td per every 6 qtrs. (this follows)
2.1 = Any reasonable attempt of an offense is TO SCORE POINTS. . .
2.2 = this is indicative of a very inefficient strategy, that in order to correct it should have at least shown Not only Dinwiddie but Randall (I would think) would have already been taking snaps (which he hasn't.) It's unbelievable to me.
Very simple logic.
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Yes, I'll think about my free tax paid mts center while breaking the bank with profits to boot.
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UPA_Smitten wrote:
Should all control, all profit be ceded to private owners for a relatively small contribution to the initial cost?
A resounding 'no' should echo across the red river to meet you.
But honestly man, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here. . . I did a pretty fair job instructing the exact same issue not too long ago.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=27140
You can't just ask someone a hypothetical question expecting an answer. I actually gave people an answer by saying, "We're a bunch of morons giving Mark Chipman an arena for free, if you really believe that should happen again."
In case you're wondering, I'm only adding to your position, just giving the people a refresher.
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Re; '99'
This my friend was a brilliant post you made, as brilliant as they come in fact. . . )
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Dave Ritchie was a player's coach that kept veterans around longer than he should have. Crandall and the Stamps got hot at the right time and haven't equaled that intensity since--it was a fluke they beat the Bombers in the Grey Cup.
Jim Daley and Doug Berry were good assistant coaches who couldn't take it to the next level. Both lacked the imagination and leadership that it takes to coach a talented bunch like the Bombers.
I liken Berry's coaching style to that of a novice chess player. He comes out with his queen, a bishop and tries to checkmate in 4 over and over again.
When the opposition figures that out, Berry haphazardly throws out a few pawns in a vain attempt to stop the opponent's attack and create more room for his predictable queen-bishop-rook attack.
Though this strategy might result in a win against teams who have pieces missing from the board (Hamilton) and/or lack the skill to readily exploit Berry's lack of board development, skillful teams like Montreal will shred the secondary and dominating defenses like BC will commit their defense to stop a Bomber passing offence that doesn't believe in a running game.
We have one of the best O-lines in the CFL, the best RB in Blink (Lumsden's a marshmallow; see my glass RB post in the puttytat forum), the best D-line in football, a secondary that needs babysitting and special teams that are high maintenance.
It takes a head coach with skill to lead this Grey Cup contender to the promised land. Berry just doesn't have it. He rose to his level of incompetence last year in the Grey Cup and should be tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a flatcar.
That snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer should take the reins until a suitable coach is found; one that recognizes the talent of the Bombers and knows how to use it to maximum advantage.
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However, getting rid of Bauer would not only be 'catastrophic' but also welcome. The BoD's iron_clad outfitter's get tailored at Mr. BIG AND TALL on PORTAGE AVE.
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At this point, be afraid, be very afraid, that's all I can tell you.
GONG!
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Oh, by the way it looks like Bryant ran away with the derby in BC the other night.
Congrats Romby, you did us proud busta.
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I want to know how many of you, regardless of your real postion on the matter, in the very least feel that if the Bomber's were any other team Randall would have seen some playing time by now?
Very simple. Not so simple minded.
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^Honestly I am so mad right now. Berry's "Kevin Glenn is a winner" on CJOB tonight just got me fuming. What a clown he is for stating that.
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. . . is this years title of Doug Berry's blasphemous auto-biography circa 2008. (this follows)
Listening to Bob 'the snob' Irving on the coaches show this evening is a waste of time. True to Irving's forum, there is such one-sided discussion, yet super-charged with ego it's sickening.
Before Berry even admits that Glenn is done in Winnipeg; the door has all but been shown to Glenn. They call this professionalist? I guess only in Winnipeg.
The thing that gets to me in Winnipeg, before Taman or Bauer reveal it's time to move on, is how snuffed out the fans are getting 8_balled this season. So much promise, that 300k to Kevin Glenn gave us?? This is absolutely mind boggling to say the least. (this follows)
Doug Browns spin zone, has an animated side-kick knob-jobbing his mouth and it's supposed to excuse everything. My god, this season is an all out farce right from the beginning.
The truth be told, I fully anticipate that Doug Berry's solution is to bring in Randall at the "right time".
At 0-4, this entire mess should be cleaned up, and slated to move Randall into the starters role. Dinwiddie is nothing more than a back-up. At 1td per 6 qtrs. of play, there is no excuse (even with Kevin Glenn 300k) not to put Randall in by now. But not one fan is intelligent enough to see it.
This Bomber team is a lifeless arrogant bunch that completely undermines everything the B&G should be.
I am totally embarassed to be a Bomber fan based on such pure brutal hypocrisy, that Randall sits on the sidelines under circumstances that any PROFESSIONAL COACH in this league would have at least given the kid a shot.
WHAT A JOKE. FIRE BAUER NOW!!!!!1111 This is his idiotic bs.
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???what. Let's see what Dinwiddie can do?? This offense hasn't avg'd more than 1 td for every six quarters played. . . how much worse can dinwiddie do on offense? It's not even funny.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: The one thing: Bomber's need to replace. . . .is Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 04:33 PM
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'we got it going on' slogan.
With. . .
'My kingdom for a horse' and a big picture of Lyle Bauer with an 'x' marked over it.
But all seriousness aside, I truly hope the best for Dinwiddie, but I don't think he's a starting cfl qb - I'm not going to lie. What I hope happens and what will actually happen, well, you get the picture.
Other than that, to watch Dinwiddie capsize down the spiral - then - it'll be Randall's turn.
Please - please do not commit back to Glenn, I pray this with all my heart.
Randall can do something with what we've got.
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re; barrin simpson
His career is finished now.
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Glenn actually said that?? At 300k he's he learned too much from Khari Jones.
I've been waiting to say this for a while now, but the time has come, I was right when saying Taman should have dealt Glenn/Simpson for Calvillo. I'd have done it in a heart beat.
At the time I made my opinions about Calvillo known on ourbombers, you see the posters running rampant with their heads cut off. It's ludicrous.
If Glenn actually said that, the man is a write off. Absolutely.
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I want to see Randall play, but that's just selfish of me to say so.
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There is little doubt that berry can instill confidence in Dinwiddie's chances. Dinwiddie is going in with an offense that can't generate as many td's as its defense for crying out loud.
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milt-for-life
Post subject: RE: Re: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Doug Berry is a total ignorant idiot look how it tturrned out for the riders... Marcus Crandal was playing like ****, so they tried their backup.. then that guy plays like **** and they put in darian Durant he plays good and wins the game. THE RIDERS ARE 4-0
now Kevin Glenn plays like **** for 4 games straight andin 1 game Dinnwiddie goes in and doesnt do anything special bt we end up 0-4
if we tried out all of our quarterbacks in the first place we wouldnt be in such a goddamn big mess!!
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"Gavin’s the speedster off the edge and Tom’s the kung-fu energy type of guy,”
Jerome Haywood on Gavin Walls and Tom Canada
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That's exactly the kind of response I was looking for.
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~I have to say that i'm excited about Samuels coming back because in my opinion, (as I expressed vehemently in the past. . . ) Samuels left unceremoniously. This provides us with character that the Bombers desperately need, (which I also recently posted as a 'locker room type player'.) Just what the dr. ordered. The defense can use a veteran, and this speaks volumes for what the defense has been missing.
Assessing the blame is easier than addressing the poitical changes that we should see happen.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 12:45 PM
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redwhite2005 wrote:
Guys be sure you remain calm this is just a bad nightmare. This may cause you to get your drinking habit back. But in all honesty Berry has lost his team. They need change quickly. The Stamps see a wounded bomber team and will be going after them. This could be another ugly game. Keep smiling guys you will get through this. How is my buddy Taman looking lately?
This season is rather becoming of the situation, the situation as it stands is damage control. Doug Brown wrote a column last week appealing to the fans; but in my opinion, the tables have turned against Taman or what Bauer believes should happen next? By all indications, it looks as though the pattern of 'blaming the coach' has no excuse to be given. This utter failure exposes Taman as well as Bauer given Dave Ritchies infamous departure. I do not see this team as the same unit as Daley was when with the organization, it's apples and oranges but it comes a close second. The same difference between Daley and Berry acts as a measuring stick: in this case is that what Berry did with Kevin Glenn. With an inferior type of qb, Berry took this team with a huge sacrifice in order. . . and succeeded. (This follows.)
In my opinion, if the Bombers BoD's fail to recognize the pattern of illogical thinking befallen upon Taman or Bauer as pointing toward Berry as the scapegoat, there is a problem. The solution is somewhat more complicated than removing Berry; it lays somewhat on the shoulders of managment at this point. It truly gives us an indication that serves Taman is incompetent provided that Bauer is shown the door. Otherwise, the BoD's have to be written off for lack of intelligent vision. The future cannot rest upon Bauer, even, even if the one thing keeping the BoD's from canning Bauer is the stadium issue. (This follows.)
That Bauer has invested some effort to keep himself around enough that the BoD's won't publically denounce Bauer.
If there's another issue that needs to be addressed, it's that Kevin Glenn has been spent. For a pro to make pro-$ figures, has tested Glenn's ability to perform. Now, Berry has to act 'responsibly' because of Glenn's oversized ego?? Perhaps, but we can't equate Glenn's inability to perform with the likes of a Doug Flutie or Tom Brady. That being said, I do not count Berry at fault for this either. The Bombers went into the season counting chickens before they hatch. (This follows.)
I think Berry would make a unilateral move at taking Bryan Randall and molding him until ready for a start.
With that intent in mind, Bomber fans can suffer the cost of wondering how Dinwiddie will falter? The coaching staff knows how capable Dinwiddie is, however, the task at hand is if the kid can consistently do what is required. They know Dinwiddie is over-zealous at best. Nothing they can do about it. (This follows)
Bryan Randall. That's the guy we go with. Not that it's going to happen though. Berry probably thinks that Glenn can help the team get 3 maybe 4 crippling victories to salvage the year.
As Nacho Libre would say: Let's get down to the nitty gritty.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 11:04 AM
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Sad but true papa, and fortunate for the Bombers.
The East is wide open, the first team that starts to string together a few wins, can go from the outhouse to the penthouse, very quickly.
Nobody should be writing off the season after only 4 games in.
What was TO after 8 games last year 2 - 6, and they still finished first.
Way too much football to be played yet.
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Great points pigs_eye.
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RedandWhite wrote:
I confess I will worry about the upcoming matchup...
The offense is triggering a whopping avg. of 1 td for every six quarters of play.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: bed wetter's inc. minus bryan randall Posted: Jul 19, 2008 - 02:56 AM
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okay, so we know that Glenn's season is in jeopardy. . . it's an important change in fate. The truth be told, Dinwiddie is all but the guy now. However, Bryan Randall I think might be the real deal next to Dinwiddie. Next up, it's a lot of soul searching for this team.
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If this loss served Berry his last game as bomber coach, i doubt he'll be here to last 2 more losses. Greg Marshall will predicatbly be HC by seasons end.
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Sportsmen wrote:
Lets see, Head Coaches run out of Winnipeg:
Dave Ritchie
Jim Daley
Doug Berry (next)
It can't all be the Coaches fault. Who brings in the players for the Coach to use?
Taman!
Maybe before the next Coaching change, a GM change would be more appropriate.
After all, these three Coaches have one thing in common that Im pretty sure Taman doesn't have..... A Grey Cup Ring! (Ritchie with many teams, Berry with Montreal and Daley with Calgary)
let me buy u a beer, i like the way u think.
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Post subject: so if the bombers wet the bed in bc Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:29 PM
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things get even more uninspiring, and suppose the effort is on par with last week (which seems unfathomable if it even comes close to comparable. . .) then things in blue-land become truly problematic. Rest assured.
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Ha yes, Provencher Bridge. If we're going to deflate the issue of Eaton's; it should be kept in it's context. Nobody is crying over a building that doesn't exist. What matters is the aftermath, in what was neglected as result of the mts centre being built. That's all one should responsibly decipher.
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Post subject: Posted: Jul 17, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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hammerbutt wrote:
As far as the Eaton's building if you're all weapy to see a heritage Department store building walk 3 blocks to the Bay
Spectacular. . . but that couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. I wish you'd see deeper into the thread, because it has a lot to offer. Unfortunately, unless you re-read some of what it TRULY meant. As it seems to me, this has nothing to do with being 'weapy'. It has a lot to do with a democratic, or in this case, the least diplomatic abolition of justice in this city's millenium.
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I know just how you feel.
This is actually about True North, in the same manner that they've pursued a pompous attitude the same way Winnipeg Enterprises ran in the former Winnipeg Arena.
There is no way Chipman can accomodate enough corporate sponsership with a lion-share. The profits to do so would be too ambitious, even by True North's standards.
I suppose if you've read how I think chipman, in my opinion, promises to fund a wpg_nhl_market. . . promises are made to be borken. I guarantee you (. . .in my original response to '99') that my dissertation of True North's quasi-proposal is bang on the metro-scope.
With everything going at a full proof cycle, the profitability of a wpg_nhl_market would be very challeneging to say the least.
(this follows. . .)
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why eaton's was a big mistake, but it'd be even bigger if the average citizen of winnipeg weren't educated enough to see how the bureaucractic element may surprise the few. Maybe just enough to feud with Chipman's rainbow-esque True North concept. You will quickly find chipman loves his photo-ops.
That way things could be done much-much better.
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great posts. As this thing begins to unravel, if Roberts continues to hurl the coaching staff, the players are revolting. This is not good going into bc.
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It's time to declare an onlinefatwa - it's time for bomberjihad.
The points you make of dinwiddie are quite intriguing actually. I recall Dinwiddie's struggle in BC last year when given the ball.
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Somethings up.
Bean with a mysterious hand injury, now Sheridan is placed on the 9 game IR, for a phantom shoulder injury.
Looks like they are making some cap room for someone.
And Kevin Glenn just needs to get his head out of his azz. 1 TD and 6 INTs in 3 games !!!! That just isn't good enough.
Maybe I was wrong, and they need more than just a locker-room type player.
Glenn cannot do any worse that's for sure.
No matter what Bob the snob Irving does to live down how bad the team is right now, (listening to Irving rudimentary football huddle).
Tonight, it was John Huffnagel doing Irving the honors, and Huff played Irving like a fool knowing full well the consequences.
Who votes 'yes' in this poll sees exactly what's at fault.
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Dinwiddie has a lot to prove:
1.0 The coaches know Dinwiddie is trigger happy, they'll hold him to strict play-calling as they did in the GC.
1.1. Dinwiddie has a lot of trouble running into what he reads opposed to what his DECISIONS are. He might make the right read, but he's to greedy when it comes to what he WANTS to to with the ball.
1.3. Thus dinwiddie's int. ratio increases.
This reminds me of former qb coach mike working's son, posted a story on ourbombers after dinwiddie's performance in BC last season. He witnessed a comment made toward dinwiddie, when questioned about a long passing attempt. The coach said: 'you'd never make that throw.' It's indicative of dinwiddie's over compensating tendencies, that simply won't just go away unless you are of the 'hear no evil see no evil' type.
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Serna should have been year long ago, Troy was released about 4 years too late.
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You guys make it seem Dinwiddie's breast-feeding for the backup role and you're all surrogate candidates for the in-vitro. If the Bombers (as I fully expect. . .) wet the bed, instead of Randall, then go back to Glenn without any question??? The fact is this team hasn't scored points on offense, there is no reason that Randall shouldn't be given playing time. Berry is completely covering his tracks, the trouble is the footprints are as large as an elephant it's hard keep the hiding place secret.
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GOD. 0-4 man. 0-4!!!111LO1 This isn't ridicue it's madness that people don't see what the hell is going on but put the dagger in it.
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blue&gold4ever wrote:
OK this is ridiculous i know and i have never been a KG fan, he reminds me of Khari Jones
It's a stretch to say, but I'll say it anyway, this looked more to me like a curse of Kerwin Bell.
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Nobody here is blaming Dinwiddie, I'm just not so narrow minded to believe in the second-coming of a miracle. That being said, tell me when it comes down to the sense of what really matters most?
2.0 = the bombers at 0-4 haven't managed an offense that generated only 1~td per every 6 qtrs. (this follows)
2.1 = Any reasonable attempt of an offense is TO SCORE POINTS. . .
2.2 = this is indicative of a very inefficient strategy, that in order to correct it should have at least shown Not only Dinwiddie but Randall (I would think) would have already been taking snaps (which he hasn't.) It's unbelievable to me.
Very simple logic.
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Yes, I'll think about my free tax paid mts center while breaking the bank with profits to boot.
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UPA_Smitten wrote:
Should all control, all profit be ceded to private owners for a relatively small contribution to the initial cost?
A resounding 'no' should echo across the red river to meet you.
But honestly man, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here. . . I did a pretty fair job instructing the exact same issue not too long ago.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=27140
You can't just ask someone a hypothetical question expecting an answer. I actually gave people an answer by saying, "We're a bunch of morons giving Mark Chipman an arena for free, if you really believe that should happen again."
In case you're wondering, I'm only adding to your position, just giving the people a refresher.
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Re; '99'
This my friend was a brilliant post you made, as brilliant as they come in fact. . . )
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Dave Ritchie was a player's coach that kept veterans around longer than he should have. Crandall and the Stamps got hot at the right time and haven't equaled that intensity since--it was a fluke they beat the Bombers in the Grey Cup.
Jim Daley and Doug Berry were good assistant coaches who couldn't take it to the next level. Both lacked the imagination and leadership that it takes to coach a talented bunch like the Bombers.
I liken Berry's coaching style to that of a novice chess player. He comes out with his queen, a bishop and tries to checkmate in 4 over and over again.
When the opposition figures that out, Berry haphazardly throws out a few pawns in a vain attempt to stop the opponent's attack and create more room for his predictable queen-bishop-rook attack.
Though this strategy might result in a win against teams who have pieces missing from the board (Hamilton) and/or lack the skill to readily exploit Berry's lack of board development, skillful teams like Montreal will shred the secondary and dominating defenses like BC will commit their defense to stop a Bomber passing offence that doesn't believe in a running game.
We have one of the best O-lines in the CFL, the best RB in Blink (Lumsden's a marshmallow; see my glass RB post in the puttytat forum), the best D-line in football, a secondary that needs babysitting and special teams that are high maintenance.
It takes a head coach with skill to lead this Grey Cup contender to the promised land. Berry just doesn't have it. He rose to his level of incompetence last year in the Grey Cup and should be tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a flatcar.
That snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer should take the reins until a suitable coach is found; one that recognizes the talent of the Bombers and knows how to use it to maximum advantage.
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However, getting rid of Bauer would not only be 'catastrophic' but also welcome. The BoD's iron_clad outfitter's get tailored at Mr. BIG AND TALL on PORTAGE AVE.
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At this point, be afraid, be very afraid, that's all I can tell you.
GONG!
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Oh, by the way it looks like Bryant ran away with the derby in BC the other night.
Congrats Romby, you did us proud busta.
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I want to know how many of you, regardless of your real postion on the matter, in the very least feel that if the Bomber's were any other team Randall would have seen some playing time by now?
Very simple. Not so simple minded.
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^Honestly I am so mad right now. Berry's "Kevin Glenn is a winner" on CJOB tonight just got me fuming. What a clown he is for stating that.
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. . . is this years title of Doug Berry's blasphemous auto-biography circa 2008. (this follows)
Listening to Bob 'the snob' Irving on the coaches show this evening is a waste of time. True to Irving's forum, there is such one-sided discussion, yet super-charged with ego it's sickening.
Before Berry even admits that Glenn is done in Winnipeg; the door has all but been shown to Glenn. They call this professionalist? I guess only in Winnipeg.
The thing that gets to me in Winnipeg, before Taman or Bauer reveal it's time to move on, is how snuffed out the fans are getting 8_balled this season. So much promise, that 300k to Kevin Glenn gave us?? This is absolutely mind boggling to say the least. (this follows)
Doug Browns spin zone, has an animated side-kick knob-jobbing his mouth and it's supposed to excuse everything. My god, this season is an all out farce right from the beginning.
The truth be told, I fully anticipate that Doug Berry's solution is to bring in Randall at the "right time".
At 0-4, this entire mess should be cleaned up, and slated to move Randall into the starters role. Dinwiddie is nothing more than a back-up. At 1td per 6 qtrs. of play, there is no excuse (even with Kevin Glenn 300k) not to put Randall in by now. But not one fan is intelligent enough to see it.
This Bomber team is a lifeless arrogant bunch that completely undermines everything the B&G should be.
I am totally embarassed to be a Bomber fan based on such pure brutal hypocrisy, that Randall sits on the sidelines under circumstances that any PROFESSIONAL COACH in this league would have at least given the kid a shot.
WHAT A JOKE. FIRE BAUER NOW!!!!!1111 This is his idiotic bs.
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???what. Let's see what Dinwiddie can do?? This offense hasn't avg'd more than 1 td for every six quarters played. . . how much worse can dinwiddie do on offense? It's not even funny.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: The one thing: Bomber's need to replace. . . .is Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 04:33 PM
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'we got it going on' slogan.
With. . .
'My kingdom for a horse' and a big picture of Lyle Bauer with an 'x' marked over it.
But all seriousness aside, I truly hope the best for Dinwiddie, but I don't think he's a starting cfl qb - I'm not going to lie. What I hope happens and what will actually happen, well, you get the picture.
Other than that, to watch Dinwiddie capsize down the spiral - then - it'll be Randall's turn.
Please - please do not commit back to Glenn, I pray this with all my heart.
Randall can do something with what we've got.
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re; barrin simpson
His career is finished now.
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Glenn actually said that?? At 300k he's he learned too much from Khari Jones.
I've been waiting to say this for a while now, but the time has come, I was right when saying Taman should have dealt Glenn/Simpson for Calvillo. I'd have done it in a heart beat.
At the time I made my opinions about Calvillo known on ourbombers, you see the posters running rampant with their heads cut off. It's ludicrous.
If Glenn actually said that, the man is a write off. Absolutely.
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I want to see Randall play, but that's just selfish of me to say so.
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There is little doubt that berry can instill confidence in Dinwiddie's chances. Dinwiddie is going in with an offense that can't generate as many td's as its defense for crying out loud.
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milt-for-life
Post subject: RE: Re: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Doug Berry is a total ignorant idiot look how it tturrned out for the riders... Marcus Crandal was playing like ****, so they tried their backup.. then that guy plays like **** and they put in darian Durant he plays good and wins the game. THE RIDERS ARE 4-0
now Kevin Glenn plays like **** for 4 games straight andin 1 game Dinnwiddie goes in and doesnt do anything special bt we end up 0-4
if we tried out all of our quarterbacks in the first place we wouldnt be in such a goddamn big mess!!
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"Gavin’s the speedster off the edge and Tom’s the kung-fu energy type of guy,”
Jerome Haywood on Gavin Walls and Tom Canada
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That's exactly the kind of response I was looking for.
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~I have to say that i'm excited about Samuels coming back because in my opinion, (as I expressed vehemently in the past. . . ) Samuels left unceremoniously. This provides us with character that the Bombers desperately need, (which I also recently posted as a 'locker room type player'.) Just what the dr. ordered. The defense can use a veteran, and this speaks volumes for what the defense has been missing.
Assessing the blame is easier than addressing the poitical changes that we should see happen.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 12:45 PM
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redwhite2005 wrote:
Guys be sure you remain calm this is just a bad nightmare. This may cause you to get your drinking habit back. But in all honesty Berry has lost his team. They need change quickly. The Stamps see a wounded bomber team and will be going after them. This could be another ugly game. Keep smiling guys you will get through this. How is my buddy Taman looking lately?
This season is rather becoming of the situation, the situation as it stands is damage control. Doug Brown wrote a column last week appealing to the fans; but in my opinion, the tables have turned against Taman or what Bauer believes should happen next? By all indications, it looks as though the pattern of 'blaming the coach' has no excuse to be given. This utter failure exposes Taman as well as Bauer given Dave Ritchies infamous departure. I do not see this team as the same unit as Daley was when with the organization, it's apples and oranges but it comes a close second. The same difference between Daley and Berry acts as a measuring stick: in this case is that what Berry did with Kevin Glenn. With an inferior type of qb, Berry took this team with a huge sacrifice in order. . . and succeeded. (This follows.)
In my opinion, if the Bombers BoD's fail to recognize the pattern of illogical thinking befallen upon Taman or Bauer as pointing toward Berry as the scapegoat, there is a problem. The solution is somewhat more complicated than removing Berry; it lays somewhat on the shoulders of managment at this point. It truly gives us an indication that serves Taman is incompetent provided that Bauer is shown the door. Otherwise, the BoD's have to be written off for lack of intelligent vision. The future cannot rest upon Bauer, even, even if the one thing keeping the BoD's from canning Bauer is the stadium issue. (This follows.)
That Bauer has invested some effort to keep himself around enough that the BoD's won't publically denounce Bauer.
If there's another issue that needs to be addressed, it's that Kevin Glenn has been spent. For a pro to make pro-$ figures, has tested Glenn's ability to perform. Now, Berry has to act 'responsibly' because of Glenn's oversized ego?? Perhaps, but we can't equate Glenn's inability to perform with the likes of a Doug Flutie or Tom Brady. That being said, I do not count Berry at fault for this either. The Bombers went into the season counting chickens before they hatch. (This follows.)
I think Berry would make a unilateral move at taking Bryan Randall and molding him until ready for a start.
With that intent in mind, Bomber fans can suffer the cost of wondering how Dinwiddie will falter? The coaching staff knows how capable Dinwiddie is, however, the task at hand is if the kid can consistently do what is required. They know Dinwiddie is over-zealous at best. Nothing they can do about it. (This follows)
Bryan Randall. That's the guy we go with. Not that it's going to happen though. Berry probably thinks that Glenn can help the team get 3 maybe 4 crippling victories to salvage the year.
As Nacho Libre would say: Let's get down to the nitty gritty.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 11:04 AM
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Sad but true papa, and fortunate for the Bombers.
The East is wide open, the first team that starts to string together a few wins, can go from the outhouse to the penthouse, very quickly.
Nobody should be writing off the season after only 4 games in.
What was TO after 8 games last year 2 - 6, and they still finished first.
Way too much football to be played yet.
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Great points pigs_eye.
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RedandWhite wrote:
I confess I will worry about the upcoming matchup...
The offense is triggering a whopping avg. of 1 td for every six quarters of play.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: bed wetter's inc. minus bryan randall Posted: Jul 19, 2008 - 02:56 AM
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okay, so we know that Glenn's season is in jeopardy. . . it's an important change in fate. The truth be told, Dinwiddie is all but the guy now. However, Bryan Randall I think might be the real deal next to Dinwiddie. Next up, it's a lot of soul searching for this team.
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If this loss served Berry his last game as bomber coach, i doubt he'll be here to last 2 more losses. Greg Marshall will predicatbly be HC by seasons end.
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Sportsmen wrote:
Lets see, Head Coaches run out of Winnipeg:
Dave Ritchie
Jim Daley
Doug Berry (next)
It can't all be the Coaches fault. Who brings in the players for the Coach to use?
Taman!
Maybe before the next Coaching change, a GM change would be more appropriate.
After all, these three Coaches have one thing in common that Im pretty sure Taman doesn't have..... A Grey Cup Ring! (Ritchie with many teams, Berry with Montreal and Daley with Calgary)
let me buy u a beer, i like the way u think.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: so if the bombers wet the bed in bc Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:29 PM
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things get even more uninspiring, and suppose the effort is on par with last week (which seems unfathomable if it even comes close to comparable. . .) then things in blue-land become truly problematic. Rest assured.
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Ha yes, Provencher Bridge. If we're going to deflate the issue of Eaton's; it should be kept in it's context. Nobody is crying over a building that doesn't exist. What matters is the aftermath, in what was neglected as result of the mts centre being built. That's all one should responsibly decipher.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 17, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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hammerbutt wrote:
As far as the Eaton's building if you're all weapy to see a heritage Department store building walk 3 blocks to the Bay
Spectacular. . . but that couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. I wish you'd see deeper into the thread, because it has a lot to offer. Unfortunately, unless you re-read some of what it TRULY meant. As it seems to me, this has nothing to do with being 'weapy'. It has a lot to do with a democratic, or in this case, the least diplomatic abolition of justice in this city's millenium.
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I know just how you feel.
This is actually about True North, in the same manner that they've pursued a pompous attitude the same way Winnipeg Enterprises ran in the former Winnipeg Arena.
There is no way Chipman can accomodate enough corporate sponsership with a lion-share. The profits to do so would be too ambitious, even by True North's standards.
I suppose if you've read how I think chipman, in my opinion, promises to fund a wpg_nhl_market. . . promises are made to be borken. I guarantee you (. . .in my original response to '99') that my dissertation of True North's quasi-proposal is bang on the metro-scope.
With everything going at a full proof cycle, the profitability of a wpg_nhl_market would be very challeneging to say the least.
(this follows. . .)
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why eaton's was a big mistake, but it'd be even bigger if the average citizen of winnipeg weren't educated enough to see how the bureaucractic element may surprise the few. Maybe just enough to feud with Chipman's rainbow-esque True North concept. You will quickly find chipman loves his photo-ops.
That way things could be done much-much better.
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great posts. As this thing begins to unravel, if Roberts continues to hurl the coaching staff, the players are revolting. This is not good going into bc.
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It's time to declare an onlinefatwa - it's time for bomberjihad.
The points you make of dinwiddie are quite intriguing actually. I recall Dinwiddie's struggle in BC last year when given the ball.
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Somethings up.
Bean with a mysterious hand injury, now Sheridan is placed on the 9 game IR, for a phantom shoulder injury.
Looks like they are making some cap room for someone.
And Kevin Glenn just needs to get his head out of his azz. 1 TD and 6 INTs in 3 games !!!! That just isn't good enough.
Maybe I was wrong, and they need more than just a locker-room type player.
Glenn cannot do any worse that's for sure.
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
dead poets society
Any losses incurred by True North, so long the NHL were to put a blanket over the feasability of a successful NOT mediocre wpg_market?
The answer(s) are simply in the magical_recipe provided to True North by you the citizen of Winnipeg.
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According to the Term Sheet and other information prepared by government authorities at the time the deal was done, the private owners of the True North arena were to receive direct subsidies of at least $1.5 million annually from VLT revenues, of which at least $1.125 million represents the foregone share that ordinarily would go to the provincial government.
The $1.5 million, remember, is a projected minimum. True North, or its assignee, gets 75 per cent, or $3 million, of the first $4 million of the revenue generated by its 50 VLTs. After $4 million they get the usual 20 per cent.
In addition, it was estimated at the time that another $2.2 million would go to the owners of the arena annually out of business and entertainment taxes that otherwise would be collected and kept by the city.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
This^ is the total cost of the mts centre for True North, or in other words, a hand is kept in your pocket while the potential for an NHL franchise were it to be hatched.
This is important information, if you THINK about it, only because a plot to exercise any $capital interest$ in a future NHL team does not rest on the the city. . . the NHL would have to be convinced it can squeeze the life out of it's investors.
If True North were to run the NHL in mts centre, the projected 5-10 year period of %100_capacity might break even through expenses (i.e.player salaries) depending on profits its allocated. The point being, if True North were to place half the costs from %50_capacity in mts centre, Mark Chipman may not benefit from the deal given to him by the government, nor would the NHL be willing to participate.
In a successful mts centre, Mark Chipman's NHL team would have to break even by covering all the costs, at %100 capacity, but would not be able to turn a profit at 60-75% capacity. The state of that happening would entail cutting loss.
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Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
Still, in 2008, the total property tax saving will come to more than $1.1 million. There's the other 20 per cent of the mortgage payment, and then some.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 09:13 PM
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bigcanadiano wrote:
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
Quebec City is what, 400 years old this year ?
Somehow, a dilapidated department store in Winnipeg, is hard to imagine as a Taj-Mahal. Except maybe if your a rat or a roach.
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(my response)
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What this means is that the actual cash invested in the arena was $58.5 million, of which $40.5 million, or 69.2 per cent came from the taxpayers and $18 million, or 30.8 per cent came from the private owners. So, really, the people who get all of the profit and have all of the control of the arena put up less than a third of the capital invested, and, as already noted, only 15 per cent of the total cost.
Put another way, for every $1 invested by the private owners, they got an immediate gift from the taxpayers of $2.25 of equity. That's right. On Day 1 they tripled their money with more to come.
^This (in italics.) =
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If it had been built on a vacant site already owned by the government, you could subtract from that the $3 million or so that it cost to tear down the Eaton's building.
For those of you doing the math, the actual share of the cost of the arena funded by the people who are reaping 100 per cent of the profits is less than 15 per cent (19 per cent if you accept that the Eaton's site, with the empty building still on it, was worth $5 million and not the nominal amount declared for land transfer tax purposes).
It should make you wonder how True North, Glenn Murray, or Gary Doer totally steamrolled the issue. In retrospect anything we were allowed to have knowledge of THEN in clear hindsite, factuality would have certainly played an important role, pigseye.
If you think this information wasn't present at the time True North formed it's anti-coup against the government forces behind this project, NOW our participation of any future stadium being built will have equal amount of support. The difference being that this time, the truth will be had rather than purged upon by True North, the government which completely underminded the process of it's citizens as a part of our better understanding.
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:09 AM
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As much as cartel economics sickens me, the Eaton's saga makes me want to blow chunks. In Eaton's dying days, the billionaire Eaton family had the audacity to send these heartstring-tugging letters to seniors who had long retired from Eaton's which begged them to help the dying retail giant by sending in as much of their pensions as they could spare. This level of greed and depravity is subhuman.
When I hear the name Eaton, I want to go to an Eaton family gathering, take the head of this brood and gut him like a salmon in front of his family while they curiously watch their patriarch flop around the floor.
As for the Eaton's building, if it wasn't for the asbestos embedded throughout the building, I would have led the campaign to 9/11 Eaton's straight to hell.
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(my response)
I feel that.^
What baffles me is how True North thinks they can afford an NHL team. With a 150mil dollar arena, the purchase of a team is app. 175mil. Couple that with a 50mil cap budget just to compete.
quick math:
15000 x 90$avg. per seat= 1,125 000mil
1,125 000 x 40game season= 45, 000 000mil
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If the c.e.o. mark chipman leads an ad hoc attempt to the table (as the ever so insightful WFP randy turner suggests have 'secret council meetings with the NHL.'. . .) the mts centre 15,000 sold out seats at 90$_!! a seat.
I'm accounting luxury boxes in the 90$ avg per seat, ergo, even if each seat were a bottom feeding 50$_per game, per seat, hypothetically the 90$ range is a good average. (i.e. educated guess)
Without concessions/parking, revenue sharing (a must), or profits from sales, chipman is telling us he'll clear 45mil in ticket sales alone.
This follows. . .
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linear pattern of logic, that cheap skates will bow to chimpans idealized godzilla wearing suit made of crackerjack sized boxes. Do you see the oxymoron yet??
(this follows. . .)
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If pessimism isn't your skeptical domain, let's consider chipman's investment were to become reality, he has generated a fan base that brings a total of $45mil per year in ticket sales alone - which covers the cost of putting a competing team on the ice. Any profit that True North makes is based on concerts as well as the NHL teams proxy. This means tv revenues which make up the lions share of Canadian markets, double Chipman's chances of turning the NHL into a profitable_wpg_based_market. That is the question?
Yes, yes it is.
(this follows. . .)
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with or without a 45mil 'exit strategy' of 15,000 seats per game to cover the cost certainty of player salaries. Chimpman thinks True North can assure any losses based on the fact the arena is being paid for by the tax-payer which acts as collateral. This also means anything Chipman believes True North corp. can afford to purchase (as buy into an NHL_wpg sized market), is covered by the %100 profit margin True North achieves per annuum, without any compensation toward the monetary public (taxpayer).
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True North seriously believing the NHL has any interest in moving to wpg, because the capital$_$formula is here. . .
A fan base brand of former jet loyalists that will unquivocally sell out the building for at least a 5-10 year minuimum at 60-100$ per game.
The answer(s) are simply in the magical_recipe provided to True North by you the citizen of Winnipeg.
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According to the Term Sheet and other information prepared by government authorities at the time the deal was done, the private owners of the True North arena were to receive direct subsidies of at least $1.5 million annually from VLT revenues, of which at least $1.125 million represents the foregone share that ordinarily would go to the provincial government.
The $1.5 million, remember, is a projected minimum. True North, or its assignee, gets 75 per cent, or $3 million, of the first $4 million of the revenue generated by its 50 VLTs. After $4 million they get the usual 20 per cent.
In addition, it was estimated at the time that another $2.2 million would go to the owners of the arena annually out of business and entertainment taxes that otherwise would be collected and kept by the city.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
This^ is the total cost of the mts centre for True North, or in other words, a hand is kept in your pocket while the potential for an NHL franchise were it to be hatched.
This is important information, if you THINK about it, only because a plot to exercise any $capital interest$ in a future NHL team does not rest on the the city. . . the NHL would have to be convinced it can squeeze the life out of it's investors.
If True North were to run the NHL in mts centre, the projected 5-10 year period of %100_capacity might break even through expenses (i.e.player salaries) depending on profits its allocated. The point being, if True North were to place half the costs from %50_capacity in mts centre, Mark Chipman may not benefit from the deal given to him by the government, nor would the NHL be willing to participate.
In a successful mts centre, Mark Chipman's NHL team would have to break even by covering all the costs, at %100 capacity, but would not be able to turn a profit at 60-75% capacity. The state of that happening would entail cutting loss.
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Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
Still, in 2008, the total property tax saving will come to more than $1.1 million. There's the other 20 per cent of the mortgage payment, and then some.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 09:13 PM
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bigcanadiano wrote:
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
Quebec City is what, 400 years old this year ?
Somehow, a dilapidated department store in Winnipeg, is hard to imagine as a Taj-Mahal. Except maybe if your a rat or a roach.
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What this means is that the actual cash invested in the arena was $58.5 million, of which $40.5 million, or 69.2 per cent came from the taxpayers and $18 million, or 30.8 per cent came from the private owners. So, really, the people who get all of the profit and have all of the control of the arena put up less than a third of the capital invested, and, as already noted, only 15 per cent of the total cost.
Put another way, for every $1 invested by the private owners, they got an immediate gift from the taxpayers of $2.25 of equity. That's right. On Day 1 they tripled their money with more to come.
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If it had been built on a vacant site already owned by the government, you could subtract from that the $3 million or so that it cost to tear down the Eaton's building.
For those of you doing the math, the actual share of the cost of the arena funded by the people who are reaping 100 per cent of the profits is less than 15 per cent (19 per cent if you accept that the Eaton's site, with the empty building still on it, was worth $5 million and not the nominal amount declared for land transfer tax purposes).
It should make you wonder how True North, Glenn Murray, or Gary Doer totally steamrolled the issue. In retrospect anything we were allowed to have knowledge of THEN in clear hindsite, factuality would have certainly played an important role, pigseye.
If you think this information wasn't present at the time True North formed it's anti-coup against the government forces behind this project, NOW our participation of any future stadium being built will have equal amount of support. The difference being that this time, the truth will be had rather than purged upon by True North, the government which completely underminded the process of it's citizens as a part of our better understanding.
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Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:09 AM
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As much as cartel economics sickens me, the Eaton's saga makes me want to blow chunks. In Eaton's dying days, the billionaire Eaton family had the audacity to send these heartstring-tugging letters to seniors who had long retired from Eaton's which begged them to help the dying retail giant by sending in as much of their pensions as they could spare. This level of greed and depravity is subhuman.
When I hear the name Eaton, I want to go to an Eaton family gathering, take the head of this brood and gut him like a salmon in front of his family while they curiously watch their patriarch flop around the floor.
As for the Eaton's building, if it wasn't for the asbestos embedded throughout the building, I would have led the campaign to 9/11 Eaton's straight to hell.
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I feel that.^
What baffles me is how True North thinks they can afford an NHL team. With a 150mil dollar arena, the purchase of a team is app. 175mil. Couple that with a 50mil cap budget just to compete.
quick math:
15000 x 90$avg. per seat= 1,125 000mil
1,125 000 x 40game season= 45, 000 000mil
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If the c.e.o. mark chipman leads an ad hoc attempt to the table (as the ever so insightful WFP randy turner suggests have 'secret council meetings with the NHL.'. . .) the mts centre 15,000 sold out seats at 90$_!! a seat.
I'm accounting luxury boxes in the 90$ avg per seat, ergo, even if each seat were a bottom feeding 50$_per game, per seat, hypothetically the 90$ range is a good average. (i.e. educated guess)
Without concessions/parking, revenue sharing (a must), or profits from sales, chipman is telling us he'll clear 45mil in ticket sales alone.
This follows. . .
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linear pattern of logic, that cheap skates will bow to chimpans idealized godzilla wearing suit made of crackerjack sized boxes. Do you see the oxymoron yet??
(this follows. . .)
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If pessimism isn't your skeptical domain, let's consider chipman's investment were to become reality, he has generated a fan base that brings a total of $45mil per year in ticket sales alone - which covers the cost of putting a competing team on the ice. Any profit that True North makes is based on concerts as well as the NHL teams proxy. This means tv revenues which make up the lions share of Canadian markets, double Chipman's chances of turning the NHL into a profitable_wpg_based_market. That is the question?
Yes, yes it is.
(this follows. . .)
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with or without a 45mil 'exit strategy' of 15,000 seats per game to cover the cost certainty of player salaries. Chimpman thinks True North can assure any losses based on the fact the arena is being paid for by the tax-payer which acts as collateral. This also means anything Chipman believes True North corp. can afford to purchase (as buy into an NHL_wpg sized market), is covered by the %100 profit margin True North achieves per annuum, without any compensation toward the monetary public (taxpayer).
(this follows. . . )
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True North seriously believing the NHL has any interest in moving to wpg, because the capital$_$formula is here. . .
A fan base brand of former jet loyalists that will unquivocally sell out the building for at least a 5-10 year minuimum at 60-100$ per game.
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
plagarizing demiurge
If not for Taman, I think we need to add a 'locker room' type player. Someone that would add depth to a position, that is a face we know. Otherwise, if Berry is content in leaving Kevin Glenn to burn us out with no points in the 1st quarter, put Dinwiddie in. Without points, or if our defense commits another suicide mission, I expect to see Dinwiddie into start the 2nd half. Bryan Randall needs something to look at for god sake.
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Allow me to be honest with you, before jumping to conclusions if for a moment you believe our civic politicians would do anything to have saved face over the mts centre, thus protecting the Eaton's building from kingdom-come. Therefore, then the taboo of politicians "are all corrupt" is true.
I think, if more people thought about what's NOT being done, at least one political voice could have changed the outcome.
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
That being said, if you consider how intellectually dishonest political leaders are then knock yourself out. People of that sophistication have fallen off the evolutionary scale perhaps. It doesn't mean the brain seizes to work.
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Allow me to be honest with you, before jumping to conclusions if for a moment you believe our civic politicians would do anything to have saved face over the mts centre, thus protecting the Eaton's building from kingdom-come. Therefore, then the taboo of politicians "are all corrupt" is true.
I think, if more people thought about what's NOT being done, at least one political voice could have changed the outcome.
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
That being said, if you consider how intellectually dishonest political leaders are then knock yourself out. People of that sophistication have fallen off the evolutionary scale perhaps. It doesn't mean the brain seizes to work.
characterizing virtue
The sweetheart part of the deal for the private owners is that they are guaranteed these subsidies for 25 years whether they need them or not.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
This is what constructive joe-taxpayer has been rewarded. True North and its subsidiary investors are reaping the profit margins, for an arena that is essentially being paid for BUT NOT OWNED by the public sector. In truth, True North is being BOUGHT A BUILDING FROM WINNIPEG PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. . . for FREE!!! In fact, Winnipeggers MUST ENJOY hiding in their fox-holes so much that it makes True North look a lot better getting filthy rich.
If this above paragraph eludes the average citizen of this city, you will begin to understand how Eaton's did not have to be demolished.
Sadly this is all just academic.
Everything, Eaton's itself, having stood up until past 2000a.d. deserved a better fate, but not ONE civil servant risked breeching something so totally unavoidable? It is absolutely mind boggling how a country such as ours just let this happen the way it has.
This is divisive of Sam Katz extrodinary cowardice on the same type of issue.
The fact(s)
1- Eaton's = destroyed
2- Canada has no sense of soveriegty that it allows it's tax-payers to have our eyes gouged out (follows. . .)
3- True North inexplicably (as the Bombers sorry excuse for a football team) have a building built for them FOR FREE - (follows)
4- Mark Chipman's associates keep 100% of the profits.
The True North project cost taxpayers $40.5 million up-front and taxpayers are committed to subsidies and tax concessions of about $5 million a year for 25 years, or another $125 million over time.
The private owners put $18 million and made no commitment to make further investments if the project should turn sour, but they get all of the profit.
Unbelievable to me is that not 1 Winnipegger I know, even cares that the profit Mark Chipman is making off of this can feed our children and our childrens children all because of the the MTS Centre built for True North.
And nobody cares.
Unbelievable, even as I write this. The Eaton's building was a waste.
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footballmad
Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 10:06 PM
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iunno what exactly your talking about big. I agree with the article and the fact that the mts centre was funded largely by the public sector and had next to no information on its actual funding. and agree that the same thing for the football stadium but asper has been alot more open abot it and has shown much more willingness to spend his own money to do so and has gaurenteed to pay back the public fundings within 5 years.
all i am saying about UPAs post is that at the time aspers proposal was choosen, mulitple proposals were made and were looked at. he states ledehoski doesnt want to own our team. i was making my point at that statment by him.
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in my opinion the mts centre is by and large the worst issue of incomptence i can equate, notwithstanding the article as it stands on its own merit. That being said, as a canadian born and raised in winnipeg, my own opinion has little edge, seeing I am biased (admittedly) to saving the now raped/pillaged eaton's building done by none other than Mark Chipman, Glen Murray, and Gary Doer.
The article only provides just how "risk free" the government can milk it's consumer as a tax-paying entity? What that question concerns me as a citizen is the government of manitoba, will on account of provincial litigation treat it's citizen as part of an ENTERPRISE WHICH WE ARE NOT. In fact, Mark Chipman (as it stated in the article. . . ) is a piece of the monopoly which goes something like, "I am a citizen for the tax-payer in this community, who will wager all the money invested into this (True North Corp.)and do solemnly swear to honor all prevailing monetary costs allocated into my PRIVATE BUSINESS - LOL -!!!) In the larger scheme of things Mark Chipman acted as the alibi in terms of a government loop hole - (an enterprise) - made up of frailty (i.e. joe-taxpayer.)" This is based on the condition I propose that the government of manitoba singlehandedly maneuvered without any recourse of action to legitimately inform the public of it's wrong-doing.
^This is the crux of the article, which based on formality, is telling us that the wool was being pulled over our eyes without it being questioned. Not only were we played for as tax-paying entities; but the average citizen were left blinded by the government. This is to say: the government knowlingly deceived it's main investor (the public monetary interest) into an illigitimate partnership through True North as if it is legally binding enough to withstand the peril of public opinions resolve.
Cont.
Also, it is in my opinion the government of Canada (YES. . . CANADA) failed not only the citizens of winnipeg but in large part the legal aspect of demolishing of the former Eaton's building. . . is without a doubt a crime that has gone unforseen due to the incredible loss of such an important piece of history. The reason being, that in an age such as this, Canada is less than a 200 year old nation, yet, to let Eatons go unpreserved, unprenounced and unwanted speaks volumes for the lack of vision or intiative. It was a shame to watch it happen and feel powerless because of it.
Any winnipegger or Canadian across the nation should be ashamed not knowing how significant a crime this was. People are completely clueless as to those that say, "It was necessary for downtown." Completely and utterly ignorant to standards that accompany it.
thank you,
bigc.
P.S. If this article doesn't make sense to you, or the impertinence of Mark Chipman, Glen Murray and True North. . . think again. Sam Katz wants to make his name something to be remembered, yet he flip flops on a stadium for point douglas.
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footballmad
Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:50 PM
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all is well big. And just a point on Katz with point douglasw an stadium design. he is ina tight spot really. with him and apser running can-west as direct buisness partners. aspers is expecting him to be on his side, while katz has to be reliable for bettering the city. and although i personally think the design is a fantastic idea i also have limited knowledge of all aspects.
but i agree the sam katz flip flops decisions has to me he runs the city more like a buisness then a city.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/westview/story/4198276p-4789875c.html
^This article should be taken very seriously. It is a code of ethics, that many ignorant to it have no idea of.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:52 AM
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This is actually a decent post by '99'. But spidey, let's lay off the incest remarks, huh?
Anyhow, I was going to make another topic post, but this one is clearly intelligent enough to subscribe to it, eh.
Tonight on Doug Brown's show, I wanted to call in, but I repressed the urge. The truth is there is no urge.
The positives:
When the best players on our team are Ryan Dinwiddie and Derrick Armstrong, those are the postives.
The negatives:
. . . However, Doug and Wheeler made a feeble attempt to give fans a "let's feel sorry for ourselves" which is a good diversion for those types that are in remorse.
Spidey brings up key elements to the unravelling this season of a Stephen King novel. The novelty "We got it goin' on" is wearing thin on Bauer or Taman. This brings us to unquestionably the coaching.
Who is to blame? . . .you decipher the rest.
Here is my endorsement:
Berry = player's coach. He has mimicked Don Matthew's to a tee. Problem is we are not Mtl We do not have A. Calvillo. We have Kevin Glenn. To make a long story short; we have players that love Berry's strategy, but have to be resiliant with what's given to them. That's what a players coach does. At this level of play, the players are responsible for what needs to be done on the field.
All Players = they're playing for last year. Berry instills what he thought was critical for success. Unlike Matthew's, Berry thought he could count on the players to play at a high level without resorting to dirty tactics Matthew's is infamous of. We know Matthew's common knowledge was to win at any cost, put player's competing against each other, endorsed decpetive kinds of tactics preparing for the opposition which meant attempting to injure (i.e. Milt Stegall / D. Sanchez) . . . Bringing in players from other teams practice rosters for strategy purposes. . . doing fake punts on no grounds necessary for it, like running up the score etc. Berry does not do this whatsoever with his players, and respects their intelligence. (This follows. . . )
Troy Westwood: some people are using this as a cop out card against berry. This is simply untrue. Berry's philosophy proves one thing: never put yourself ahead of the team. Troy Westwood was a cancer at this. No matter what any one says that is the truth. Same goes for Keith Stokes. A guy who holds a babies rattle just so he can be the focus (as Stokes was) is not Bomber football.
In conclusion: I blame not berry but the players. This is not about blaming the victim, which in all fairness to berry would be just that. He's done everything he's taken from his experience in Montreal, and the Bombers have one thing to do, which is, be resiliant. Mtl, Ham, or Tor are easily beatable teams. Ham is not a darkhorse by any stretch. I still say they are over-achieving, and MTL will fizzle to smash mouth football. Tor is a joke in waiting. The season is not over for the Bombers, but every indication says otherwise. I thought Edm. would be the worst team in the CFL this year, but the Bomber's can really do the Eskimos proud.
The sad truth is it is the players that are at fault and not berry. He wanted Glenn to call his own plays, by this time in "the program" I'll bet you my ridiculous wager of $01. that Glenn hasn't even stepped up to the plate yet, while Gumby flies down on a parachute @ Canada Inns with Bob the Snob Irving announcing 'WE'RE BEING ATTACKED' over. . . and over. . . Next thing you know, Gumby's shifty moves breaks every Bomber tackler for a td return.
Berry thinking, "SIGN HIM UP."
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:10 AM
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BTW - the term 'suicide football' is a great analogy. The Bombers are really making a name of it and should feel privileged to coin it. Truly unbelievable start this season.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:03 PM
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big you make great points. to me there are aspects of the game that coaching is at full blame though. we always make the same little msitakes game in and game out that hurt us. but other then those i fully agree. the players have a lack of heart and effort. they don't show the same will or passion to play or win games and it obviously is killing this team.
Me i like our OC Kit cartwright a little better then our previous guy, but in the past few seasons i began calling him the drive killer. make a few great plays march down field and then call a 2nd down play that is doomed from the snap count. and now this year for some reason we instigated the roll out. to me i hate this idea, and our team is not set up for it. a roll out is made for a fast QB and a sloppy oline lets look at vick and the flacons for that, he could roll out and had the speed to get in a throwing position or take off. our team has a strong offensive line and a pretty immobile qb in Glenn, he does not have the speed t get outside and set up a pass or take off. to me all the roll out does is take away half of glenns options.
which leads down to play calling altogether. it has been bad, REAL bad. even if we don't give roberts the ball we have to leave him in the back field for the snap count. when we drop roberts out the db's back off and gain the upper hand on our recievers. if Glenn is calling the plays i say we go back to the drive killer to do it, and if the drive killer is calling them then i say we give glenn the chance.
really at this rate thier s no harm, the team is 0-3 and sinking faster each game. anythign new could bring a different aspect to the game that could infact start winning us football games.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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You think my points were fair? That's falttering to me, because after reading the points you made (which I also agree with) it tells me what a disaster this season is thus far. That's not an insult, it's the truth of it that hurts more.
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Post subject: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:39 PM
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We've all seen this before in the Khari Jones years. The Blue Bomber bus had the makings of a Grey Cup champion, but just couldn't make it to the top of the mountain.
History repeats itself in more ways than one. After an arm (& heart)breaking playoff season, the supposed-to-be Grey Cup Champions begin to self-destruct. Listening to Berry gripe about the enthusiasm of some of his players in public, poisoning the locker room atmosphere, players not having faith in their coaches, etc. reminded me of the end of the Dave Richie saga.
Just as we finally said bye-bye to Dave Ritchie, we'll soon be saying goodbye to Doug Berry and crew at the end of the season, if not sooner. We might as well take that snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer behind the barn with the coaches and make a fresh start when new management takes over. Taman will be a good GM.
We know the Bombers will get punked next week against the Lions and will probably lose to the Stamps, making us 0-6. Dare I say, "Remember the Reinbold years?"
There's more talent here than in the Reinbold era, but it's obvious that the Dave Berry version of the Bombers peaked last year and is likely the worst team in the CFL. Full credit has to go to the Tabbies, Argos (ew), Riders, Esks, and Als who have upgraded their rosters this year while we bent over backwards to stay intact, believing we were good enough to make it to the top of the mountain.
I feel bad for Milt, but his individual accolades and a spot in the Hall of Fame will have to be enough. For the rest of us, it's time to take out the paper bags and join the hall of shame. At least the beer I bring from home is cold.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
This is what constructive joe-taxpayer has been rewarded. True North and its subsidiary investors are reaping the profit margins, for an arena that is essentially being paid for BUT NOT OWNED by the public sector. In truth, True North is being BOUGHT A BUILDING FROM WINNIPEG PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. . . for FREE!!! In fact, Winnipeggers MUST ENJOY hiding in their fox-holes so much that it makes True North look a lot better getting filthy rich.
If this above paragraph eludes the average citizen of this city, you will begin to understand how Eaton's did not have to be demolished.
Sadly this is all just academic.
Everything, Eaton's itself, having stood up until past 2000a.d. deserved a better fate, but not ONE civil servant risked breeching something so totally unavoidable? It is absolutely mind boggling how a country such as ours just let this happen the way it has.
This is divisive of Sam Katz extrodinary cowardice on the same type of issue.
The fact(s)
1- Eaton's = destroyed
2- Canada has no sense of soveriegty that it allows it's tax-payers to have our eyes gouged out (follows. . .)
3- True North inexplicably (as the Bombers sorry excuse for a football team) have a building built for them FOR FREE - (follows)
4- Mark Chipman's associates keep 100% of the profits.
The True North project cost taxpayers $40.5 million up-front and taxpayers are committed to subsidies and tax concessions of about $5 million a year for 25 years, or another $125 million over time.
The private owners put $18 million and made no commitment to make further investments if the project should turn sour, but they get all of the profit.
Unbelievable to me is that not 1 Winnipegger I know, even cares that the profit Mark Chipman is making off of this can feed our children and our childrens children all because of the the MTS Centre built for True North.
And nobody cares.
Unbelievable, even as I write this. The Eaton's building was a waste.
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footballmad
Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 10:06 PM
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iunno what exactly your talking about big. I agree with the article and the fact that the mts centre was funded largely by the public sector and had next to no information on its actual funding. and agree that the same thing for the football stadium but asper has been alot more open abot it and has shown much more willingness to spend his own money to do so and has gaurenteed to pay back the public fundings within 5 years.
all i am saying about UPAs post is that at the time aspers proposal was choosen, mulitple proposals were made and were looked at. he states ledehoski doesnt want to own our team. i was making my point at that statment by him.
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in my opinion the mts centre is by and large the worst issue of incomptence i can equate, notwithstanding the article as it stands on its own merit. That being said, as a canadian born and raised in winnipeg, my own opinion has little edge, seeing I am biased (admittedly) to saving the now raped/pillaged eaton's building done by none other than Mark Chipman, Glen Murray, and Gary Doer.
The article only provides just how "risk free" the government can milk it's consumer as a tax-paying entity? What that question concerns me as a citizen is the government of manitoba, will on account of provincial litigation treat it's citizen as part of an ENTERPRISE WHICH WE ARE NOT. In fact, Mark Chipman (as it stated in the article. . . ) is a piece of the monopoly which goes something like, "I am a citizen for the tax-payer in this community, who will wager all the money invested into this (True North Corp.)and do solemnly swear to honor all prevailing monetary costs allocated into my PRIVATE BUSINESS - LOL -!!!) In the larger scheme of things Mark Chipman acted as the alibi in terms of a government loop hole - (an enterprise) - made up of frailty (i.e. joe-taxpayer.)" This is based on the condition I propose that the government of manitoba singlehandedly maneuvered without any recourse of action to legitimately inform the public of it's wrong-doing.
^This is the crux of the article, which based on formality, is telling us that the wool was being pulled over our eyes without it being questioned. Not only were we played for as tax-paying entities; but the average citizen were left blinded by the government. This is to say: the government knowlingly deceived it's main investor (the public monetary interest) into an illigitimate partnership through True North as if it is legally binding enough to withstand the peril of public opinions resolve.
Cont.
Also, it is in my opinion the government of Canada (YES. . . CANADA) failed not only the citizens of winnipeg but in large part the legal aspect of demolishing of the former Eaton's building. . . is without a doubt a crime that has gone unforseen due to the incredible loss of such an important piece of history. The reason being, that in an age such as this, Canada is less than a 200 year old nation, yet, to let Eatons go unpreserved, unprenounced and unwanted speaks volumes for the lack of vision or intiative. It was a shame to watch it happen and feel powerless because of it.
Any winnipegger or Canadian across the nation should be ashamed not knowing how significant a crime this was. People are completely clueless as to those that say, "It was necessary for downtown." Completely and utterly ignorant to standards that accompany it.
thank you,
bigc.
P.S. If this article doesn't make sense to you, or the impertinence of Mark Chipman, Glen Murray and True North. . . think again. Sam Katz wants to make his name something to be remembered, yet he flip flops on a stadium for point douglas.
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footballmad
Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:50 PM
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all is well big. And just a point on Katz with point douglasw an stadium design. he is ina tight spot really. with him and apser running can-west as direct buisness partners. aspers is expecting him to be on his side, while katz has to be reliable for bettering the city. and although i personally think the design is a fantastic idea i also have limited knowledge of all aspects.
but i agree the sam katz flip flops decisions has to me he runs the city more like a buisness then a city.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/westview/story/4198276p-4789875c.html
^This article should be taken very seriously. It is a code of ethics, that many ignorant to it have no idea of.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:52 AM
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This is actually a decent post by '99'. But spidey, let's lay off the incest remarks, huh?
Anyhow, I was going to make another topic post, but this one is clearly intelligent enough to subscribe to it, eh.
Tonight on Doug Brown's show, I wanted to call in, but I repressed the urge. The truth is there is no urge.
The positives:
When the best players on our team are Ryan Dinwiddie and Derrick Armstrong, those are the postives.
The negatives:
. . . However, Doug and Wheeler made a feeble attempt to give fans a "let's feel sorry for ourselves" which is a good diversion for those types that are in remorse.
Spidey brings up key elements to the unravelling this season of a Stephen King novel. The novelty "We got it goin' on" is wearing thin on Bauer or Taman. This brings us to unquestionably the coaching.
Who is to blame? . . .you decipher the rest.
Here is my endorsement:
Berry = player's coach. He has mimicked Don Matthew's to a tee. Problem is we are not Mtl We do not have A. Calvillo. We have Kevin Glenn. To make a long story short; we have players that love Berry's strategy, but have to be resiliant with what's given to them. That's what a players coach does. At this level of play, the players are responsible for what needs to be done on the field.
All Players = they're playing for last year. Berry instills what he thought was critical for success. Unlike Matthew's, Berry thought he could count on the players to play at a high level without resorting to dirty tactics Matthew's is infamous of. We know Matthew's common knowledge was to win at any cost, put player's competing against each other, endorsed decpetive kinds of tactics preparing for the opposition which meant attempting to injure (i.e. Milt Stegall / D. Sanchez) . . . Bringing in players from other teams practice rosters for strategy purposes. . . doing fake punts on no grounds necessary for it, like running up the score etc. Berry does not do this whatsoever with his players, and respects their intelligence. (This follows. . . )
Troy Westwood: some people are using this as a cop out card against berry. This is simply untrue. Berry's philosophy proves one thing: never put yourself ahead of the team. Troy Westwood was a cancer at this. No matter what any one says that is the truth. Same goes for Keith Stokes. A guy who holds a babies rattle just so he can be the focus (as Stokes was) is not Bomber football.
In conclusion: I blame not berry but the players. This is not about blaming the victim, which in all fairness to berry would be just that. He's done everything he's taken from his experience in Montreal, and the Bombers have one thing to do, which is, be resiliant. Mtl, Ham, or Tor are easily beatable teams. Ham is not a darkhorse by any stretch. I still say they are over-achieving, and MTL will fizzle to smash mouth football. Tor is a joke in waiting. The season is not over for the Bombers, but every indication says otherwise. I thought Edm. would be the worst team in the CFL this year, but the Bomber's can really do the Eskimos proud.
The sad truth is it is the players that are at fault and not berry. He wanted Glenn to call his own plays, by this time in "the program" I'll bet you my ridiculous wager of $01. that Glenn hasn't even stepped up to the plate yet, while Gumby flies down on a parachute @ Canada Inns with Bob the Snob Irving announcing 'WE'RE BEING ATTACKED' over. . . and over. . . Next thing you know, Gumby's shifty moves breaks every Bomber tackler for a td return.
Berry thinking, "SIGN HIM UP."
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:10 AM
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BTW - the term 'suicide football' is a great analogy. The Bombers are really making a name of it and should feel privileged to coin it. Truly unbelievable start this season.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:03 PM
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big you make great points. to me there are aspects of the game that coaching is at full blame though. we always make the same little msitakes game in and game out that hurt us. but other then those i fully agree. the players have a lack of heart and effort. they don't show the same will or passion to play or win games and it obviously is killing this team.
Me i like our OC Kit cartwright a little better then our previous guy, but in the past few seasons i began calling him the drive killer. make a few great plays march down field and then call a 2nd down play that is doomed from the snap count. and now this year for some reason we instigated the roll out. to me i hate this idea, and our team is not set up for it. a roll out is made for a fast QB and a sloppy oline lets look at vick and the flacons for that, he could roll out and had the speed to get in a throwing position or take off. our team has a strong offensive line and a pretty immobile qb in Glenn, he does not have the speed t get outside and set up a pass or take off. to me all the roll out does is take away half of glenns options.
which leads down to play calling altogether. it has been bad, REAL bad. even if we don't give roberts the ball we have to leave him in the back field for the snap count. when we drop roberts out the db's back off and gain the upper hand on our recievers. if Glenn is calling the plays i say we go back to the drive killer to do it, and if the drive killer is calling them then i say we give glenn the chance.
really at this rate thier s no harm, the team is 0-3 and sinking faster each game. anythign new could bring a different aspect to the game that could infact start winning us football games.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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You think my points were fair? That's falttering to me, because after reading the points you made (which I also agree with) it tells me what a disaster this season is thus far. That's not an insult, it's the truth of it that hurts more.
spidey99
Post subject: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:39 PM
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We've all seen this before in the Khari Jones years. The Blue Bomber bus had the makings of a Grey Cup champion, but just couldn't make it to the top of the mountain.
History repeats itself in more ways than one. After an arm (& heart)breaking playoff season, the supposed-to-be Grey Cup Champions begin to self-destruct. Listening to Berry gripe about the enthusiasm of some of his players in public, poisoning the locker room atmosphere, players not having faith in their coaches, etc. reminded me of the end of the Dave Richie saga.
Just as we finally said bye-bye to Dave Ritchie, we'll soon be saying goodbye to Doug Berry and crew at the end of the season, if not sooner. We might as well take that snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer behind the barn with the coaches and make a fresh start when new management takes over. Taman will be a good GM.
We know the Bombers will get punked next week against the Lions and will probably lose to the Stamps, making us 0-6. Dare I say, "Remember the Reinbold years?"
There's more talent here than in the Reinbold era, but it's obvious that the Dave Berry version of the Bombers peaked last year and is likely the worst team in the CFL. Full credit has to go to the Tabbies, Argos (ew), Riders, Esks, and Als who have upgraded their rosters this year while we bent over backwards to stay intact, believing we were good enough to make it to the top of the mountain.
I feel bad for Milt, but his individual accolades and a spot in the Hall of Fame will have to be enough. For the rest of us, it's time to take out the paper bags and join the hall of shame. At least the beer I bring from home is cold.
the act of pretending
RedandWhite
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:38 PM
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...what difference does it make that I'm a mod, I'd say the same thing anyway...I just found it, in your words, absurd that you would quote jm calling her post 'laughable' in it's wordsmithing when the one you wrote afterwards was even less understandable...
...sorry, I don't smoke either...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:27 PM
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No, what I found laughable was a double standard that one who pulls rank, such as a mod using indiscretion to insinuate what a posters remarks actually mean.
(Yeah, kind of like that r/w.)
My entire line of reasoning has been brought about unknowing she was a mod, until she pm'd with her unmistakeable use of proper conduct.
I only state what is in fact, that nobody took the remarks seriously, they were candid. Thus no need to enforce the "rules". It's not as if the incest remarks were made on Rider-boards, which would be totally wrong.
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Thank you for the encouragment? At any rate, I had no idea the mod/poster was indeed a mod to begin with. In r&w's response which he quotes me, (mockingly - of course) has nothing to do with internet etiquette on his part, yet I take the liberty to reply. See how that works?? The point I was making was done in good faith. As well, there is no reason to give warning to posters that "DON'T FOLLOW GUIDLINES/RULES/REGULATIONS - LOL" when there is no need for it. There is a fine line when telling the difference between what is parody on the internet and what is in fact reality. Some people, yes even mods - are truly guilty of absurdity themselves.
Put it in your peace pipe. . .
"brutha".
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Okay, and I feel wholeheartedly that in the same manner of discretion you are pertinent upon.
^this. . . my response to== = =========>
For the record, spidey99 clearly suggests otherwise.
What does it matter who speaks for whom? The issue is that talk of that sort (and not by you, so why are you getting all bent out of shape anyway?) is inappropriate on an all-ages public forum.
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You just fired off a pm, expecting to engage in some kind of psychological banter, that has no place on a public forum or have any insite into the fairytale world of something someone else said. Nobody has to believe it. Yet, I clearly stated that no matter what the person in question's intent was, it's not to be taken seriously. However, you incited me in the (pm) that I'm making 'idiotic' posts that seems to fit your misunderstanding of my response to you.
Therefore, it's a threat you pose when no threat was even mentioned toward you, then you proceed to antagonize through patronizing me.
What else. . . oh yeah, the wording you use is rather convenient seeing you hail from prince albert, which means to me you're a moral authority which you aren't. Let people decide for themselves.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:55 AM
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No, I sent a PM to you explaining the situation. I have no desire to get into anything psychological with you whatsoever.
Perhaps you should realize you are overreacting here, and also recognize that the forum guidelines state that comments deemed in appropriate by the moderating crew have no place on the board. I ran the comments by another moderator (not a Saskatchewan fan) and they also deemed them inappropriate.
I think you really need to take a breath and come back later. Bringing things into the public light that were meant for private messaging is kind of sleazy, if you ask me, and it seems you need some time to reflect.
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I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves,
BTW - ^this wording is just laughable.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:41 AM
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Care to explain why? And you do know that the post in question referred to the fans as inbred hicks, right? So there blows your statement right out of the water...
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pfft. get off it already. we don't care. that was my main point. Nobody justifies who represents what, otherwise you're wasting your time. There's no need to tell anyone how plain and ignorant a person's opinions are. It's a matter of intelligence that negates you from the norm.
Nobody says Sask. fans are inbreds unless it's troy westwood who's (thank goodness) out of a bomber uni.
Go post @ cflzone.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:22 AM
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This has nothing to do with "Rider Pride" - I don't even consider myself to have it, since I am in no way affiliated with the successes of the team, but hey, if that's the type of person you want representing the rest of you, go hard...I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves, in any capacity...calling an entire population inbred hicks and talking about cornholing a relative isn't exactly becoming of a human being...there's smack, and then there is just plain ignorance.
But it's your call...so, have fun, 'Peg fans! Bigcanadiano wants you all to be represented by the one who made those comments, it seems...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:18 AM
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Either sit this one out or go post on reider's board begat migs chosen pro-rider outfit. Rider-pride doesn't fly here.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 08:31 PM
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Yes...always good sportsmanship to namecall and insult...
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Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:57 PM
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Give the inbred hicks their due. After winning 3 Grey Cups in the last 100 years (98, close enough) let them brag and cheer for all they're worth.
Watching the Riders win the Cup is like seeing Hailey's comet; it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Just don't get too drunk celebrating again, Migs. Cuz wasn't keen on the cornholin' ya gave her last Novemeber;)
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:59 PM
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Yes, not to steal your thunder here but I had understood it was a ri_lol_der fan.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:49 PM
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^
You do realize that was written by a Rider fan (Migs I believe) ?
Some of then still seem to need to convince themselves of their victory.
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If Kevin Glenn played in the Grey Cup, do you guys still believe that the Bombers were guaranteed the championship? All offseason many of you guys whined and cried thousands of times that the Riders GreyCup win was tarnished because Kevin Glenn didn't play in the big game yet thus far this season he has resembled Kevin Federick more than anything. You guys held on to that excuse to get you through the offseason and methinks we can finally put that one to bed. Its unfortunate you guys had to start your 2nd stringer who started his first game, yet on Saturday afternoon we showed that even a 3rd stringer can come in and win a game in his first start. Here's hoping you guys turn it around soon because Hamilton and Montreal look to be the new Sheriff's in the East.
Cheers
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bahaha. . . i love how this nobody tries so desperately to get his point across, only to prove we'd loved to see Kevin Glenn in the Grey Cup. Only on ourbombers. brilliant.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: ourbombers is a ton of laughs Posted: Jul 12, 2008 - 02:00 PM
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right behind the cflzone. A clown show.
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Kevin Glenn has done wonders with a OL of future shriners at 0-3.
+this defense is a j-o-k-e. Unbelievable. A JOKE.
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...what difference does it make that I'm a mod, I'd say the same thing anyway...I just found it, in your words, absurd that you would quote jm calling her post 'laughable' in it's wordsmithing when the one you wrote afterwards was even less understandable...
...sorry, I don't smoke either...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:27 PM
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No, what I found laughable was a double standard that one who pulls rank, such as a mod using indiscretion to insinuate what a posters remarks actually mean.
(Yeah, kind of like that r/w.)
My entire line of reasoning has been brought about unknowing she was a mod, until she pm'd with her unmistakeable use of proper conduct.
I only state what is in fact, that nobody took the remarks seriously, they were candid. Thus no need to enforce the "rules". It's not as if the incest remarks were made on Rider-boards, which would be totally wrong.
= = = = == my response cont. == = = = = = =
Thank you for the encouragment? At any rate, I had no idea the mod/poster was indeed a mod to begin with. In r&w's response which he quotes me, (mockingly - of course) has nothing to do with internet etiquette on his part, yet I take the liberty to reply. See how that works?? The point I was making was done in good faith. As well, there is no reason to give warning to posters that "DON'T FOLLOW GUIDLINES/RULES/REGULATIONS - LOL" when there is no need for it. There is a fine line when telling the difference between what is parody on the internet and what is in fact reality. Some people, yes even mods - are truly guilty of absurdity themselves.
Put it in your peace pipe. . .
"brutha".
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Okay, and I feel wholeheartedly that in the same manner of discretion you are pertinent upon.
^this. . . my response to== = =========>
For the record, spidey99 clearly suggests otherwise.
What does it matter who speaks for whom? The issue is that talk of that sort (and not by you, so why are you getting all bent out of shape anyway?) is inappropriate on an all-ages public forum.
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(I respond)
You just fired off a pm, expecting to engage in some kind of psychological banter, that has no place on a public forum or have any insite into the fairytale world of something someone else said. Nobody has to believe it. Yet, I clearly stated that no matter what the person in question's intent was, it's not to be taken seriously. However, you incited me in the (pm) that I'm making 'idiotic' posts that seems to fit your misunderstanding of my response to you.
Therefore, it's a threat you pose when no threat was even mentioned toward you, then you proceed to antagonize through patronizing me.
What else. . . oh yeah, the wording you use is rather convenient seeing you hail from prince albert, which means to me you're a moral authority which you aren't. Let people decide for themselves.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:55 AM
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No, I sent a PM to you explaining the situation. I have no desire to get into anything psychological with you whatsoever.
Perhaps you should realize you are overreacting here, and also recognize that the forum guidelines state that comments deemed in appropriate by the moderating crew have no place on the board. I ran the comments by another moderator (not a Saskatchewan fan) and they also deemed them inappropriate.
I think you really need to take a breath and come back later. Bringing things into the public light that were meant for private messaging is kind of sleazy, if you ask me, and it seems you need some time to reflect.
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jm02 wrote:
I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves,
BTW - ^this wording is just laughable.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:41 AM
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Care to explain why? And you do know that the post in question referred to the fans as inbred hicks, right? So there blows your statement right out of the water...
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I wrote:
pfft. get off it already. we don't care. that was my main point. Nobody justifies who represents what, otherwise you're wasting your time. There's no need to tell anyone how plain and ignorant a person's opinions are. It's a matter of intelligence that negates you from the norm.
Nobody says Sask. fans are inbreds unless it's troy westwood who's (thank goodness) out of a bomber uni.
Go post @ cflzone.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:22 AM
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This has nothing to do with "Rider Pride" - I don't even consider myself to have it, since I am in no way affiliated with the successes of the team, but hey, if that's the type of person you want representing the rest of you, go hard...I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves, in any capacity...calling an entire population inbred hicks and talking about cornholing a relative isn't exactly becoming of a human being...there's smack, and then there is just plain ignorance.
But it's your call...so, have fun, 'Peg fans! Bigcanadiano wants you all to be represented by the one who made those comments, it seems...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:18 AM
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Either sit this one out or go post on reider's board begat migs chosen pro-rider outfit. Rider-pride doesn't fly here.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 08:31 PM
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Yes...always good sportsmanship to namecall and insult...
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:57 PM
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Give the inbred hicks their due. After winning 3 Grey Cups in the last 100 years (98, close enough) let them brag and cheer for all they're worth.
Watching the Riders win the Cup is like seeing Hailey's comet; it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Just don't get too drunk celebrating again, Migs. Cuz wasn't keen on the cornholin' ya gave her last Novemeber;)
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:59 PM
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Yes, not to steal your thunder here but I had understood it was a ri_lol_der fan.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:49 PM
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You do realize that was written by a Rider fan (Migs I believe) ?
Some of then still seem to need to convince themselves of their victory.
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If Kevin Glenn played in the Grey Cup, do you guys still believe that the Bombers were guaranteed the championship? All offseason many of you guys whined and cried thousands of times that the Riders GreyCup win was tarnished because Kevin Glenn didn't play in the big game yet thus far this season he has resembled Kevin Federick more than anything. You guys held on to that excuse to get you through the offseason and methinks we can finally put that one to bed. Its unfortunate you guys had to start your 2nd stringer who started his first game, yet on Saturday afternoon we showed that even a 3rd stringer can come in and win a game in his first start. Here's hoping you guys turn it around soon because Hamilton and Montreal look to be the new Sheriff's in the East.
Cheers
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bahaha. . . i love how this nobody tries so desperately to get his point across, only to prove we'd loved to see Kevin Glenn in the Grey Cup. Only on ourbombers. brilliant.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: ourbombers is a ton of laughs Posted: Jul 12, 2008 - 02:00 PM
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right behind the cflzone. A clown show.
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There is no reason the bombers will contend in the east.
Kevin Glenn has done wonders with a OL of future shriners at 0-3.
+this defense is a j-o-k-e. Unbelievable. A JOKE.
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