Forum: CFL Talk Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM Subject: Banjo Bowl - Trash talk thread
Thryllin
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Wow! Pigseye, that was the weakest crap I ever read.
Seriously though. During the Labour Day classic I
went around with a camera asking Bomber fans what
they thought of the game.
Almost everyone of them turned instantly vulgar
swearing and screaming and insulting my family.
It was embarrassing to allow those fools into
our city.
Those classless fans don't represent all Bomber
fans but I'd still rather be a Rider than a BlueBomber!!!
bigcanadiano Post subject: Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM
Maybe they were refering to that ugly mug^.
It'll be fun to watch milt break the record against
rider-jehovas.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Milt's new record should come today Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 12:41 PM
against the riders. With Reid + Smith leading the charge, this opens the flood gates. Time for an offense.
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Running over the rider-jehovas should be fun to watch.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: da bomba's vs. sask (game day thread) Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 02:52 AM
Fred Reid is our running back, with the talented Mr. Smith.
*throws a bone
I'd also like to congratulate Milt before breaking the record today.
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redstallion
Post subject: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:58 AM
This is taken off ourbomber.com fan site. It is Roberts talking about coach berry.
chuckdiesell1
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Thank You!
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I would like 2 personally take the time to thank each and everyone of you have supported the bluebomber orginization and myself over the years. that support has been greatly appreciated. I will miss winnipeg greatly as i have many friends on the team and in the community. When i came to winnipeg eight years ago i would have never imagined being there for so long but it has truly been a great experience. So again I say thank u!.
Now I am sure you all are intersted as to know what my feelings are on the whole trade thing. first of all I am sad 2 go but am excited about the oppurtunity of playing somewhere, where i think my hard work, determination, and love of football will be appreciated. the natural reaction for me would be to be enraged, and ordinarily I would have been considering what i have done for that orginization. I am not however because of the events leading up to the trade. brendan called me into his office aboutg eight o clock monday night and as i got to the stadium doug berry and i pulled into the stadium parking lot at the same time. Once he figured out it was me, he mysteriously pulled out of the parking lot and dissappeared. For a man to have publicly claimed that the reason for trading me is because i had lost a step how come he couldn't face? How come he ran off like a coward instead of facing me man to man and telling me what he felt. I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end. All i have to say 2 that is he got rid of me and he probably doesn't realize that he is next and they don't trade coaches. I will not publicly disrespect the team that i have loved for so many years like they did me but i just had 2 say that again i say thank u for ur support
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:59 AM
You think he could have shaken Charles hand and wish him good luck....wow!
RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:05 AM
At least Charles is going to a class team and organization. Welcome to BC, CHARLES!
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:11 AM
Good luck with that.^
touchdown69
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:14 AM
that coward coach is done in the cfl, throwing players under the bus, refusing to acknowledge accomplishments, tantrums on the sidelines, and cant even handle the heat and talk face-to-face, wow, this guy is a piece of work. Blink will get his 1000 yards rushing and will continue to be effective.
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RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:15 AM
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:18 AM
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Also, about what charles said. . . that's not to be judged. Roberts is larger than life that he purposely compared himself to Berry, and Roberts leads us to believe that this was the case with Berry (in the 'parking lot'.)
If you think about why Berry got to the stadium, it couldn't be to meet with Taman at the same time Roberts showed up. Otherwise, Berry would have expected to see Roberts there. Roberts has a history to take things to a level that they're not, and this is no different of Charles.
Roberts is talking trash, so he accused Berry of the same thing. . . and EXPECTS Berry to "shake my hand".
Give me a break.
(Oh, my gosh. . . I like just used my brain, it's located hidden somewhere between the skeletal structure.)
Seriously, if you guys love this tabloid stuff, keep it real and down to a football level. That's all I ask. Roberts could've chosen not to resort to trading insults. Point being if Berry gets fired, fine. But I still rather see Taman out the door with Bauer following. The play-offs is still within reach. Did Roberts say: I hope you guys make the play-offs. . . "I wish I could help you do it."
Now that wouldn't be classy, right?
Give me a break. BC aren't in last place either, right? Yet, HfxTC eats what Charles says up.
I'm sorry, but this stuff is getting to be too much. Let's get back to football, not this Joe Smith-is-a-smack-talking-gardner-buono-changing-diaper-maid.
Those posters on ourbombers need to buy themselves a clue.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
LionsLip
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:50 AM
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:09 AM
Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:12 AM
LionsLip wrote:
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=29016
go here^ and use your brain. (Need you be asked.)
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Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze.
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Sheep
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:39 AM
RoarLionsRoar wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
Any team can get 1 yard with three downs. That's easy.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:27 AM
We don't know what exactly occurred in the past two and half years, but up until recently, Berry has always had nothing but praise for Roberts on the field.
It would be cowardly for Berry to now criticize Roberts and not do anything about it (ie trade him or cut him).
imo, this move just shows that Berry has the balls to make the tough decisions.
Many fans thought this team was making a mistake by holding onto too many overly comfortable veterans, and they were right. Somebody has to clean up the mess and that's the coaches job.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:39 AM
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:15 AM
saskatoon1 wrote:
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Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
I consider myself reasonably intelligent. But I have no clue what the hell this means. Can someone please translate this for me? Is there really good weed in Manitoba that I don't know about because that is a possible explanation for what I just read.
Let's give me some credit here, (reading between the lines from where your from.)
All I meant was, "Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze."
It means in buono's fairy-tale land, joe smith had a knack playing football. So much so, (how's this for an explanation) Smith already knew what he had to do to run. In Buono's dimension, he is "the coach" and what he says goes, which is to say he was power tripping UNNECESSARILY so. (Smith, being the mild mannered football type player that he is.)
If you need that spelled out for you even more, better sit this one out sport.
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BigU wrote:
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
Well said man, well said. For anyone that knows anything about football, Roberts was done.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:57 AM
Really? You don't think he has a case that he has done more for this team than any other player over the past few years? Who's been the rock of this offense? Who's rushed for over 1000 yards year in and year out? How do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards in a game? When Khari Jones was on the decline and they were trying everyone from Kevin Glenn to Tee Martin at the QB position, who was the guy carrying the mail on what was left of the offense?
Honest to God, the sheep mentality of standing behind the coach no matter what is mind-boggling. Coaches are human beings, folks. They can make mistakes great and small just like everyone else. In case you haven't noticed, most running backs DO have an attitude. It's part of the job. They're like goalies in hockey. Running backs play the most punishing position in football but have an average career of 4-5 years. No kidding they're a little high on themselves, paranoid, and mistrustful.
Roberts is dead on. He's being made the scapegoat, but the entire Bombers team is dysfunctional.
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BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:04 PM
disciplineandpunish > no one questioned Roberts's abilities or what he brought to the team. But to say he carried the team last year when you look at how fantastic the passing game was is an insult to Glenn and the receivers.
The fact is, he consistently joked about not taking care of himself and not working all that hard at staying in shape simply because he didn't need to. Now to say he worked harder than anyone else on the team is simply an insult to the rest of the team.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:11 PM
The Bombers had exactly one-half of a season of a great passing game. Compare that with what Roberts has done for this team for, what, 6-7 years? Please. And again, I ask you: how do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards or more? Not very well, passing game or no passing game.
At a position where the average career is 4 years on the outside, Charles Roberts has been a star in this league for far longer, Mr. Consistency year in and year out. He's done more for this team than other active Bomber except Milt Stegall. You can twist things all you want, and throw Roberts under the bus all you want, but you can't change the facts.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:00 PM
stamphater wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Hmm yeah okay!
So I suppose just cutting Joe Smith instead of trying to make a trade would have been a fantastic move by Wally. But honestly how can you say we took something that doesn't belong to us. It was your team that offered him up. Not Wally threatening or holding Taman up.
Don't waste my time with that bs. The circumstances surrounding the trade are one too many to list, the real reason is Taman AND not because we were in spite of what roberts was doing irregardless of his lack of performance.
I don't give Buono credit for a bonehead move on tamans part.
Stay clear of this unless you have something of substance to add.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:58 PM
The fact is, Roberts played great. I would say he may even be the best back Winnipeg has ever had. Doesn't change the fact that it was ignorant and egotistically self-centered on his part to say he played the hardest of any players since Berry was here. That is a slap in the face to all the other players.
Now, pay close attention disciplineandpunish. I am not saying Roberts wasn't a key part of the team. I am not blaming him for the losing. And I am not throwing him under the bus. I am simply saying that if the comments made were indeed his, they show a lousy attitude towards his team.
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disciplineandpunish
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:24 PM
No, it's not a slap in the face. You know what IS a slap in the face? Trading away the man who carried the mail for your offense the past 7 seasons because of half a season's dip in productivity that had as much to do with O-line injuries and poor playcalling as it did with Roberts arguably having lost half a step. A half season's dip and you jettison the guy who ran his heart out for you for 7 years. THAT is a slap in the face.
Running backs have the most punishing job in the league, the one with the shortest career span and the least job security. As a group, they are generally oddballs. Roberts had every right to be upset at this trade. And I don't see you getting on Doug Brown for agreeing with Berry that Roberts wasn't the same player. Who's rating Doug Brown's performance this season? Tom Canada? Roberts became the scapegoat because Joe Smith was on the trade market. No other reason.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
One thing about Footbal. While its a cruel,cruel game it also is extremely fair. Roberts has the opportunity to
1- Make an idiot out of Berry is he shows he still has game especialy if Smith is average.
2- Gets the opportunity to knock out his old team from a playoff spot.
Berry has forced two Franchise player off the team already. He's basicaly put himself right in the headlight of that trainwreck he partly created. His team has less home games left then any other team and is 0-4 on the road this year with some very tough match ups left for the second half. I predict at best a 6-12 season and the team "repositioning" him within the organisation during the off seas (secretly hoping his ego motivates him to walk.
As far as Roberts post. All it means to me is he wrote that he played as hard or harder meaning he should have been treated as well as anyone else on the team not made a scapegoat. To try and make that a sshot at his ex-teammates is laughable.
This will sort itself out.
BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
When a player like Charles Roberts, who took pride in working very little in the offseason, says he works harder than anyone else on the team, it IS a slap in the face to the other players.
I don't blame him for being upset with the trade. Try to note I didn't say anything about any of his other comments. The only one that spoke volumes about his attitude was the one regarding the other players.
And as much as you hate this idea, football is a business and ugly things happen in business. Ask Crandell in Regina who got moved out because he was ineffective while working without his top three receivers. Why did it happen? Because at this time, in these circumstances, Bishop is a better solution. Maybe the same can be said for the Joe Smith for Charles Roberts deal. No slight against Charles, just a simple case of a better solution given the current circumstances.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:53 AM
While I don't like the trade. I have no problem with it. Taman went and got what his coach asked for. As a coach don't diminish the man's aura to his fans. Don't devalue him by stating he's lost his game and then the next day reverse everything you said about the man. (Did the same in the Westwood situation).
Even TSN who is a very conservative media outlet pointed his inexplicably incompatible comments.
Berry is very, very scared right now...and probably praying Smith is the next Roberts.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 02:32 AM
Yeah, Roberts never said he was better than the rest of his team. He said he worked as hard or harder than anyone on the team. Meaning, basically, nobody on the team worked harder than me. And once again, if you look at his production over the past 7 years, it's hard to argue with the statement.
Berry, on the other hand, has completely lost my respect. Swinging this way and that, blowing hot one week and cold another, throwing players in and out of the doghouse more times than you can shake a stick at, yelling at his players on the sidelines ... if you want to talk about lack of class, let's talk about Doug Berry and his behavior this year.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:05 AM
Re; doubleblue
In reply to Leo Lewis, there is no question. . . I'd take Leo Lewis on my team x1000 before any other player in that category.
re; bigdave
I hope that my style of writing offends no ones comprehension for english.
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stamphater
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 09:52 AM
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 12:24 PM
HfxTC wrote:
Who's We LOL!
You should know. I was referring to BigU. We're not the kind of fans that fear intimidation, that's not what Bomber football is about.
stamphater wrote:
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
??wha. My post above^ helps clarify where I stand - or I would hope.
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You know. . . I give up. I don't deserve this; for whatever the reason.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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This picking up cans thing or gardening habit is truly moronic. If Smith wets the bed, it's indicative of the Bombers managment at this point. If Smith does well, we make the play-offs then all is well.
Otherwise, we have Fred Reid ready, and I like the guy.
gangtackle wrote:
How freakin' hard up for negative news are you people? Give your collective heads a shake. Joe Smith likes to garden and spend time with his wife. He recycles bottles and watches his nickels and dimes. Ooooh.. what a loser! My God, you run a man down for these rinky-dink offences? And in this day and age of gangsta yahoos in pro sports.
To me, Joe Smith actually sounds like someone I'd be proud and happy to have as a neighbour. His biggest "crime" against humanity? He doesn't spend his every waking moment and ounce of energy thinking about his job when he's off work. Remind you of anybody you know? Yes it does ... it reminds you of just about everyone you know.
Headcase is what he's been called. Headcase?? I think the only headcases are the people on this forum who refuse to accept that the players under those helmets are actually real, live, breathing human beings ... not just football-bots.
You guys disgust me at times ... you really do.
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I'm sorry, I just have to say that I loved your post, and I'm officially taking back the thunder to you my friend. That was awesome to read. Made my day. People in life give themselves far too much credit; more than they are deserving of. Total morale booster if I've ever seen one myself. I must say this.
As for Gardner Joe. I love it that he told Wally to stick to laying bricks, rather than enact as a football coach. I don't care for Buono's cholesterol commercials, (as we've all learned that appearances can be deceiving.)
I can assure you that Smith will enjoy an active lifestyle in Winnipeg if gardening is his thing he loves. We'll welcome his with open arms. I know what Vancouver is about, though people are not near as conceited about life where I come from. So, you get the idea. I can tell you one last thing though, Charles should never have left Winnipeg.
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You can have Smith and his oddities. He'll be hard pressed to find as nice gardening, scenery or shopping malls in Winnipeg as he did in Vancouver though.
Good luck Joe. I hear phone plans are cheaper in Manitoba.
I heard something related to that. Winnipeg is a great place, I think.
P.S. Can someone please send me a list of shopping malls in Vancouver. Much appreciated.
housedog
Post subject: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 09:29 PM
The proposal to build a CFL stadium in Quebec city has been rejected by the federal Gov't according to statements on The TSN site. Federal Minister Lawrence Canon stated the Federal Gov't will not be funding CFL stadiums. He further stated I've said no to Winnipeg. I'm not going to fund footbal stadiums. This news should once and for all, put to rest the Asper proposal, which appears dead. Unless Asper is willing to pay the whole shot to build a new stadium the proposal is dead. The subject of ownership should now revert back to community ownership.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 01:37 AM
Good point housedog, at 2-7 the team can be a focal point to rally around now without distraction. Playoffs are in order.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Time To Move Forward Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 04:34 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
I love Fred Reid. Super happy that this man gets his turn.
He's a younger, faster version of Roberts and now they have the luxury of a power back too boot in Smith.
Now they just need to get the passing game going.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:16 PM
Amidst all of the chaos in this tantamount decision to annul Roberts as a long time bomber:
1) do not confuse the fans as a pigeon hole for tamans miscarriage of justice. (i.e. trading roberts)
2) as a fan I do not blame taman for lack of a motive (e.g. crappy running game) to make this trade.
3) Even though we - mostly I - am critical of this organizations managment situation, more specifically involving the private ownership collusion.
In all honesty, watching this season become what it has, viewing the complacency on ourbombers, especially toward a futile effort on the field it is sad to see Charles take the fall so close to 10,000.
I would've stuck by Roberts, even though I wish we never traded him, I cannot say I support the decision to sell out roberts for lack of a better backfield. However, this is not my vision as I am consciously aware it is that of Taman.
We sold out Roberts in spite of Taman's trade. It is embarassing.
That is the truth. ^
Somebody had to say it, so here.
Post subject: RE: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:32 P
^ I'm not going to make another thread, so about this next topic re: milt. I am not going to accept you being traded. No way - no how. Life without roberts is enough for one fan. Thanks for toughing it out this season, we're not that bad, but roberts should still be a bomber.
housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 06:36 PM
Bigco you could not have said it better. Some will think Taman as a hero. In reality he should be flushed down the toilet.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:56 PM
I respect the fact (which I am speaking to you of course) in this case, when somebody reads something. You take it for what it is.
There'll be some that deliberately foil the context, so without turning the other cheek that'll outright refuse it. It's see no evil hear no evil. Rather than face the denial, they fake their understanding of it. (i.e. ourbombers)
Now that we hear about Smith, his gardening, his garbage picking, his lack of conceit that vancouver brainwashes everyone for. . . it does not speak for the football country Winnipeg undoubtedly is. BC does not even compare a sniff of what Roberts leaves behind here. That is what people are complaining about, when they should be focused on how poorly managed this team is resulted in trading a Bomber great.
Smith is a great back to be certain.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: att; zoo + pigseye Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:46 AM
Now that roberts has been traded, are you both still somewhat on opposite sides of the managment issue or are you more apathetic toward them?
I saw Khari's demise as a debacle of sorts, fortunately we had Glenn to bail us out of that one (and managment).
But, what does this trade do for you as a Bomber fan? Just curious to see your response.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:18 AM
I'm actually somewhat "excited" about the trade for a couple reasons.
First, being that Berry has wanted a power back from day one for this offense. Berry has a long history of running successful offenses and now we will see if this is what the Bomber offense has needed.
Secondly, Taman is letting Berry fix the "problems". I'm much more comfortable with this than Taman calling the shots. Taman's record shows that he holds onto veterans too long out of loyalty. I think Berry is objective enough to make the tough decisions based upon performance only.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:20 AM
In Regina last week, Roberts wasn't even participating in the huddles, he'd line up in the backfield without doing up his chin strap. Basically telling Sask.'s defense he wasn't getting the ball.
papazoola
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:22 PM
.....i don't like the term apathetic.... cautious and curious more like....I've liked Joe Smith when he first started for the leos....How he works out for the Bombers is another question...IF he lights it up on Sunday and continues to be a success in the Peg....great...Taman has much to answer for if everything goes sideways from now till the end of the year...and Berry will be questioned as to why his type offence isn't working with a back of Smiths calibre...We'll see soon enough and the opinions will be coming fast and furious by then...
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:01 AM
Thanks you fellas. Good job.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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It is little wonder how people feel about Roberts in wpg, that is where this great discussion only begins to tip the iceberg. I'd say tophat does an admirable job in keeping it as close to football sense, pigseye knows the score as well.
My heart says, I'll be surprised to see how "properly" Buono's plans are with Roberts. Buono tells me something about indifference causes his own players to rebel. Therefore, HfxTC makes some decent points. However, it's not all about the coaching as he adamently places the entire context of his argument on it as strictly as he does.
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Wally usually just cuts people, or gives them away for a draft pick. If we can get any use at all out of Roberts we come out ahead imo.
^This tells me nothing. You can get 10 yards on Roberts first carry, do you win the trade?
footballmad wrote:
ya and a crappy new opffensive system taking away from the skilled back he is didn;t help that. ya do us all a favour and pull your head out of your a$$
I have to agree with you here. The Bomber's should have used Roberts more effectively. Our OL are plain shriners with helmets on. Sheridan went awol; it was for that reason.
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Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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I'm just saying Roberts won't be the same player that raises your expectation in BC as we was in Winnipeg. Point being, he might be known well as blink in the peg' but more 'blank' in BC.
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We welcome posters with truly objective analysis. However, I disagree with the fact our team has turned itself over. When a trade of this kind takes place, the entire team takes a full circle so to speak. Our running game was not even a spot on the radar as far as warning signs go. Contact Smith if you think we'll be a threat or not. No one knows yet.
Has Roberts lost a step is irrelevant. The reality is that Roberts won't be the same running back as he was when with da bomba's.
To each his own opinion I say. I communicate the truth only, because I care to.
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While the ultimate fanboy network on www. (which shall remain nameless) reckons how to spell r-o-b-e-r-t-s name in a bowl of alphaghettis. . . maybe in BC those insightful fantards enjoy lovely tender-vittles they feed off of Buono's backside.
The running game is back in Winnipeg, and that's all that counts.
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I just posted this and I thought it would be fitting here as well. . .
Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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Prowler wrote:
Think about it...the BC Lions got Charles freaking Roberts! WOW!!!
Hey, that's cool. We hope that you like Roberts as much as we did I'm sure. Just saying.
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Right, I was only posing in this forum with some information worth denoting. All is not well in the organization, within that the entire team in Wpg are well aware that Roberts played himself off the team. It's no secret how bad things were with Roberts here. That's my point.
EXCUSE ME FOR LIVING.
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Again I do agree with HfxTC. However, I still believe roberts played himself off the team because that's exactly what he wanted. As for the fans, if Roberts had an attitude that really wanted to get to 10,000 yards, DON'T YOU THINK HE'D STAY MOTIVATED. I challenge any one of you to deny that or I accuse you of all being liars. BUT THINK ABOUT IT FIRST. Remember, we're not confusing ourselves with hating Roberts. I believe that Roberts had he wanted to stay would have done so with everything in his power.
This follows my simple conclusion that even 10,000 yards as a Bomber, in spite of that milestone, Roberts didn't want it badly enough to survive for the fans! Now he's a Lion. . .
1) I don't respect that one bit.
2) Ask me if I should care if you agree with it but that's the truth of the matter.
Heart has a place in this game, Milt has it, and he came back to deliver the goods.
If you ask milt if he's disappointed about WHAT ROBERTS DID for this TO HAPPEN. . . I'll bet my RRSP collection on it. I kid you not.
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I'm just more curious to see what Roberts displays dealing with someone such as team we-are-all-albino-robots.
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Personally, Wpg want Smith to see what he can do in b&g. We have Fred Reid, which seems to me he'll get his shot. This trade needed to happen. Defenses across the CFL were shutting down our running game, while our OL was shutting us out completely. Smith is going to add something we've needed all year.
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I was going to post this in the Lions forum, but they seem to be a bunch of over-zealous hippies next to their cousins from Regina. That being said: it's a tougher hill to climb when dealing with Buono. Everyone in Winnipeg will say BC won this deal.
Based on false misrepresentation, I would say Roberts asked to be traded (-) only because he played himself off the team. It was a mutual accord between Berry and Roberts all the way through. Berry refused to put Roberts in the doghouse, but Charlie played nice even though the chances are resisted Berry's wishes on the offense.
I'm sure we can all agree on that.
A lot of fans are going to think:
(1) should Berry had utilized Roberts properly?
(2) Do you blame Roberts for his diminshing skills.
Point being raised is simple. Do you think Buono is going to use Charles the way we didn't, will equal success for Roberts, or is Roberts prime over?
That in itself^ will measure this trade.
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The problem is more to do with each player understanding their role on the team, Matt Sheridan, now Charles Roberts have been pushed over (For lack of a better term.) That's not to mention our qb situation getting any better, or how receivers are getting open.
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hammerbutt wrote:
Completely pointless move. This should have been the point where Bauer steps in and fires Taman and Berry. Roberts stayed in Regina instead of coming back with the team so my guess is he told Berry to go
f%ck himself after Berry once again decided to blame Blink to save his own job. I wonder what excuse they will make next week when Smith gets 42 yards against Sask
Well, look at what we have here. . . hammerbut^. Collusion only gets one so far, but how the mighty have fallen on hard pressed times eh.
If you want to talk some real football about this trade, I invite you to go elsewhere.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=28899
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On a side note: ourbomber's with all due respect is a ton of larfs right now. I can play the informant all I want to, simply because, I can't think of a time this so called 'trade' was supposed to happen. If wally thinks Smith is washed up, he hasn't asked Roberts that question either. Things are more clearer now than they were in the past 24 hours before Roberts became a Lion.
Wally Buono is not about collusion within a system he operates his team under. Winnipeg on the other hand is a ceiling waiting to cave in, Roberts got out before it gave in under him.
I swear it's like a living union of steel workers that can't build a bridge if their lives depended on it, yet no one wants to say anything about. Total brutal hypocrisy, no matter how gun shot Taman is. A brainless deal, for a brain dead team in trumoil without BoD's firing an inept president. The wrong people, the right totem pole. . . I'm telling you. Just a joke all around gay parading farce.
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Leave it to Brendan Taman, (Doug Berry) has full knowledge the teams offense is in desperate need of rectifying the running game. That same head coach, reveals on his radio 'coaches show' that Charles Roberts is not the same running back he was 3 years ago. Something has to give. Does it sound to be a horror film, pretty close I guess.
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And if you watch the plays they are running closely, you will see they have little or chance of succeeding. There is no misdirection, no clearing out of areas for receivers on crossing routes. It is probably the worst run offense I have seen in my 30 years as a fan.
I have seen better run offenses at the CIS level with a fraction of the talent.
This quote is from pigseye^. It's a wide eye opener.
1) Does our OL seem to take the fall for this, if so, Roberts was really done.
2) Fred Reid. Good or bad.
3) Taman makes a move that shook the earth, (wpg at least) which will not be popular with fans. Just because Roberts writing was on the wall, does it make this any better - it might not.
4) This has nothing to do with change. There is no reason to watch 10,000 yards anymore if it meant a shoddy running game. More supply and demand which the Bombers lack, a move clearly needed to be done.
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Yes.
Walks plank.*
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Well, so much for all this collusion talk eh fellas? Unreal. Simply unreal.
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housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 03:27 PM
blue&gold4ever wrote:
Housedog, your just another blind fan who thinks that Canadinns Stadium is fine and as for 27,000 fans not complaining about the washrooms and legroom, your dead wrong, if you polled the 27,000 fans, i guarantee at least half if not more would say our stadium is outdated and totally disgusting.
You cannot tell me there is nothing wrong with the washrooms, consessions, legroom and the list goes on. If your happy with a dump for a stadium so be it, i sure as heck hate Canadinns Stadium, downright ugly, dirty, disgusting and quite frankly embarressing. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, but honestly, how can you sit there and say 27,000 fans are happy? That is just a bad argument.
27,000 fans are not influenced by washrooms or leg room as you would suggest. I never have a problem buying a beer or a keychain. As for the washrooms. I really don't know what you can do to improve this. With the volume of fans going to the washrooms at half time you still are in need of the hated P-ss trough. Unless you have some cleaning personel standing there cleaning urinals and troughs it still is going to stink. What do you want ?? If it bothers you that much then don't go. 27,000 fans are not happy with the current team and management, which should be a priority for change. Regina, Hamilton, Montreal all have older facilities and are in process of fixing their facilities. Your argument for a new stadium does not wash.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 07:07 PM
When it rains it pours.
When you look at how success is measured in Mtl, it's hard not to notice the windfall. In our case there is no tradeoff with the floudering in this mess of an organization.
If plinko chips are Aspers game as I suspect they are, it does not equate with sound managing in any case.
That being said, this BoD's sure have no excuses when happening on the field. I guess this is rather redundant to say so.
In other words what pigseye cares to illustrate re; Aspser, is about a man who sits on the couch somewhere in his Tuxedo home. He's watching the Price is Right, in an imaginary episode while yelling with Bob Barker, because the plinko chip isn't going where it's supposed to.
Actually, that has Asper written all over it, along with managment, the coaching staff can't even get the wheel spinning.
*Another plinko chip falls.
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Yes - yes absolutely my friend. All is not fine.
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Glenn wasn't great today, but IMO he is not in a position where he can succeed
About the only post in this entire thread that actually has a clue, and he isn't even a Bomber fan.
The offense has absolutely no identity. Two weeks ago against Hamilton, they were a power running team, smashing the ball with tight ends and Haywood at full back and going deep with the pass. Today they were back to a bunch of pansies, who got their azzes handed to then physically by the Rider defense.
You would think the entire offense went with a game plan wouldn't particularly show a defense what they've already done this season. The problem has been on execution all season. Therefore, without consistency on offense, no guts, no glory. Cliche as it sounds, it's not really.
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You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
housedog
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 01:12 AM
Bauer and Taman have incubated a bunch of ROTTEN EGGS!!!!!
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 10:06 AM
lol, on that we can agree, a few rotten eggs in the basket to be sure. But I suspect now that the NFL cuts have occurred, some of those rotten eggs will be tossed out. If not, them that is even more of a reason to clean house at the management level.
TrueBlue2008
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 02:36 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
That's probably the most succinct description of the Bombers I've ever read, especially when you go think back to the Khari years.
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