Well, i'm kind of disappointed no one sees it yet. But we've been in dismay since November of last years gc. It cost us big time, failures in attitude which lead to (a difficult decision firing the rb) but lead to keeping Glenn's ego in check just enough to prevent a total collapse of this season. The trick worked. The problem now is, can the bomber's host a post season, and repeat what we did last year.
The truth is: (if my suspicion is correct) our offense should be slightly better for the post season, especially now that widdie is bonafide in playing behind Glenn. (That is huge compared to last season.) Our running game is far better, than butter fingers Roberts. The defense won everything but the gc last year.
I kid you not, this team underestimated how hard a gc loss was to overcome since Nov07. It's a whole different season going into next game, I think this is exactly what's happening with the bomber's now. Very important to remember Nov07 just how reliant things get for the stretch drive.
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I must say Edwards deserves accolades.
Right now, all that matters is we've established an offense that can score.
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Yeah, the fact Keith is back in the cfl is awesome.
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Monday, September 22, 2008
Sunday, September 21, 2008
pirate trivia
Post subject: We now have an offense: that means playoffs Posted: Sep 21, 2008 - 11:55 PM
It's been a red flag all season, but (sigh) i think we've reached a learning curve right when it needed to happen the most.
I saw efficiency on the offense, which timing was slated on every play, where receivers made adjustments, as did the glenn show.
JOE SMITH. I mean, really. Just sick.
Of course, the running game has turned our season around ten fold with #32.
Need we ask for more. . .
Other than that, Moreno looks to me as if he came into replace Greg Battle - Kai Ellis answered our prayers.
I think this is finally coming together, now.
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I don't know catfan, (I welcome your comments here btw - ) but i am fairly certain Lumsden will either become an Argo or an Eskimo after this season. Lumsden wants out, much for the same reasons I stated in your other post re; jets07 - that Lumsden I am almost positive wants to play on a veteran team. What that means: is lumsden has played long enough to see where hml is right now, and lumsden will take his act elsewhere. I am fairly positive Obbie knows this already, and will probably want Printers to hang onto for marketing purposes - only because Lumsden was the face of your franchise. Losing both might be taking a step backward. Make no mistake, lumsden won't be sticking with hml. Printers can stay, but he'll only go as far as an improvment on your OL happens.
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Do not take that personally, catsfan.
From what's happened this year in hamilton, the bomber's win says a lot.
1) you guys have a young team, which amounts to inexperience. That's just the way it is, though not an excuse.
2) hml have jesse lumsden. . . but your OL is what keeps the game plans under fire. Without an OL, you can't run the ball effectively with a poor OL + great running back. Lumsden runs the ball hard, however, an inept OL won't help that cause.
3) hml hung around for the 4th qrt, which isn't saying a lot, but it stretched the game more than it appeared on the surface. The bombers should have put it away long before that.
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To answer the question fairly zoo', think about it another way. . . the Bombers were stood up for a go ahead td on the one, which should have put us in the clear. Good teams find ways to win these games, I must say.
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Serna booting a 42 yard fg. A pleasant surprise in a close game.
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That's a relevant observation, and I'll tell you why.
Asper dropped the ball on each and every proposal he cited. No other reason than that, jets07. The question you offer will fall on deaf ears as if that proposal (i.e. polo'p) didn't even exist. Thus, Asper realized he dropped the ball straight out of the gate. If you ask that question, it's like a trying to find a needle in a haystack, that's just the way it goes.
This proposal, for all it's shortcomings, simply is a last resort that actually does benefit the fans, simply because it's a new stadium. This only involves the due diligence from which Asper corrected the glaring holes he left behind in his past proposals (which are now dead in the water.)
The mistakes that were made, were accidentally corrected or stumbled upon through the u of m bid. The real issues now to be considered are impartial, only because amenities such as hotels for out of town fans are sparse in that immediate area. The location isn't perfect, but that hardly rests on Asper as incompetent as it looks. A new stadium far outweighs the trivial aspects, which will be talked around a lot. The answer to the loss of fans, will be the growth for the university based fans (younger+student demographic) which Asper's camp will play that card with. Not saying it will override the material profitability of the franchise, but again a new stadium is what wins in the whole deal.
Overall, Asper had made this a doable proposal.
No one can say it's full proof, but the cracks are nowhere as near as big.
Therefore, a new stadium is in my estimation the best bet. I say an announcement is in the works now.
Formally, you will not read a better indication of what this proposal signifies^ on any other surface of the topic. What you've read is the straight up goods.
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If I make advances to women in general, you highly flatter yourself my dear. Cop out all you want to. Sadie, fuck off.
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another painful reminder to you that you'll never get in my pants and that you hold such bitterness towards me for being in a relationship and not living in my parents' basement, but I strongly suggest you get the hell over it. You sound like a freak stalker which is why when you make your bizarre little "go out with me, I really want to meet you, I love you" posts I try to ignore them, because I don't a) want to encourage that behaviour and b) don't need the inevitable freak out that follows my rejecting your advances, such as in this thread.
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predicting just how (for the record) sadie's brilliant mind will take yet another leap in the mischief of my hating her.
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Really - communicating with a person over the internet whose outlook on life goes totally off the charts it's so greatly admired.
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Let's get one thing straight, no one here attacked you. I am not bullying you, so I see no sense of the word being applicable in the sense you've implied. Therefore, do not substantiate by defending yourself as something that is just cause. It doesn't fly here.
Otherwise, what I accuse you of doing is inserting random baby pictures (just so we're clear) when I was onto something completely different. It was a missed opportunity, so as result you saw a window in which to divert attention of the subject (much the same as you've done in the past. . . ) in creating attention FOR yourself. Which is ironic, and rather convenient of you to chose in saying I am the culprit. Again, that argument will not fly here. I make myself clear as to what my opinion is, you haven't in any stretch of the discussion to be frank.
Furthermore, I am absoutely sick of hearing about your decisions that seem to prevent you from moving forward. By all indications, you thought having a spanish father's baby was a fantastic choice. I also recall you purchasing a house you couldn't afford, but for some mysterious reason.
Also, when you call vegas 'a nice guy' I don't hate him because you say that about him. How I measure people goes for what I feel. This also means: how I measure a person is strictly based on what they have to give. If I see that, it's a good thing in itself. (Not because they're "a nice guy.") As so many people in this day and age, flourish, perhaps superficially based on what they think values are present in human interaction. I used to be a person that so many people pass judgment on thinking "gee, what a nice guy" and I started investigating what that really meant to me. When I began to realize for myself, just how ordinary people freely pass their judgments, it gave me renewed sense of knowing just how easily influenced some people really are. It amazes me actually.
You are no different sadie, so stop copping out for fuck sake.
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And for fuck sake saide, if it's anyone that's ever done more hating between us it's not me that does it. Just for the record.
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You see, vegas everyone here thinks I do my best to ensure I am my own cause that - yes I - make myself an outcast. Therefore, as that logic goes no one else is to blame but myself. I admire your fellowship, it is not to be outdone by. I know what your saying. In fact, maybe you even agree with my first statement, but are taking initiative out of pity. That's fine, I can respect that either way.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 19, 2008, 12:11PM
so biggs is back to hating me again. la-di-da.
No, it's hardly worth it I'm afraid. (I thought - I told you that already.)
Just so we all know how nice your farts smell in heaven.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 19, 2008, 05:29AM
first of all, what the hell are you talking about and secondly, the "he thinks everyone is out to get him" bit sure proves true in this thread. Even though they're your words, not mine.
sadie, first off. . . i've had people like you for breakfast. Last but not least, you'd think that as much as the thousands-upon-thousands of stupid people there are in this world, may you live to regret the day you find out.
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Quote from: swedes on September 19, 2008, 01:44AM
me neither.
did hap even post in here?
Nice try, becky. However, I give you some merit.
Anyhow, i'm just trying to control the environment, eh. good ol' marco.
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Fuck. I cannot believe you people. First it's hap getting bent with cynicism, though thinking it's honorable. I say it's a double standard. Reason being I had nothing but praise for goonie, yet it gets confused notwithstanding my *true position. (Which by all accounts was applauding her for dismissing the d-bags.)
Then there's sadie acting little miss. hero because she knows something everyone else already knows about me, 'psst we've seen this before - he thinks everyone is out to get him.'
It had nothing to do with any of that. I always take my time to give insight into something worthwhile or meaningful. No argument.
I honestly thought becky and mike were above all of that, always giving benefit of the doubt. Just like everyone else in my past, it was more important to give a blind eye.
I mean just, fuck.
Why.
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For a guy that tries so hard to be funny. . . you sound like a royal ass.
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Vegas Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2008, 06:09PM »
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Quote from: Sadie on September 18, 2008, 04:42PM
I also miss social contact outside of the internet so...there's that.
I think Toonces just rented a suit!
Sorry to hear about the job thing though.
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remember that movie where the guy says, "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast," and the other guy says, "you eat pieces of shit for breakfast ,"
And the guy who said it got all flustered?
Anybody remember what movie that was? I'm drawing a blank Marco,
I just really don't want you to think that i'm trying to make you feel as an outcast. Really, I think as of late you are one of the more entertaining of the posters and I'd hate to see you stop posting.
Even though I don't pretend to understand most of your posts, I really don't want you to take my posts seriously. I type what I think at the time that I post my posts and there is nothing that I write that I write that extremes as opposed to you....... If you'd like, as of your next post, I will make my remaining posts for the next week ALL positive for you.......
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Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2008, 12:11PM »
so biggs is back to hating me again. la-di-da.
hey, maybe if the cycle's changed he'll start liking you, vegas
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General Category / General Discussion / Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away on: September 18, 2008, 04:46AM
How convenient. If one measures in stupdity, the other gets a shorter end of the stick. I've seen this bs before - but some magical baby pictures solve everything. Give me a break.
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It's been a red flag all season, but (sigh) i think we've reached a learning curve right when it needed to happen the most.
I saw efficiency on the offense, which timing was slated on every play, where receivers made adjustments, as did the glenn show.
JOE SMITH. I mean, really. Just sick.
Of course, the running game has turned our season around ten fold with #32.
Need we ask for more. . .
Other than that, Moreno looks to me as if he came into replace Greg Battle - Kai Ellis answered our prayers.
I think this is finally coming together, now.
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I don't know catfan, (I welcome your comments here btw - ) but i am fairly certain Lumsden will either become an Argo or an Eskimo after this season. Lumsden wants out, much for the same reasons I stated in your other post re; jets07 - that Lumsden I am almost positive wants to play on a veteran team. What that means: is lumsden has played long enough to see where hml is right now, and lumsden will take his act elsewhere. I am fairly positive Obbie knows this already, and will probably want Printers to hang onto for marketing purposes - only because Lumsden was the face of your franchise. Losing both might be taking a step backward. Make no mistake, lumsden won't be sticking with hml. Printers can stay, but he'll only go as far as an improvment on your OL happens.
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Do not take that personally, catsfan.
From what's happened this year in hamilton, the bomber's win says a lot.
1) you guys have a young team, which amounts to inexperience. That's just the way it is, though not an excuse.
2) hml have jesse lumsden. . . but your OL is what keeps the game plans under fire. Without an OL, you can't run the ball effectively with a poor OL + great running back. Lumsden runs the ball hard, however, an inept OL won't help that cause.
3) hml hung around for the 4th qrt, which isn't saying a lot, but it stretched the game more than it appeared on the surface. The bombers should have put it away long before that.
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To answer the question fairly zoo', think about it another way. . . the Bombers were stood up for a go ahead td on the one, which should have put us in the clear. Good teams find ways to win these games, I must say.
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Serna booting a 42 yard fg. A pleasant surprise in a close game.
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That's a relevant observation, and I'll tell you why.
Asper dropped the ball on each and every proposal he cited. No other reason than that, jets07. The question you offer will fall on deaf ears as if that proposal (i.e. polo'p) didn't even exist. Thus, Asper realized he dropped the ball straight out of the gate. If you ask that question, it's like a trying to find a needle in a haystack, that's just the way it goes.
This proposal, for all it's shortcomings, simply is a last resort that actually does benefit the fans, simply because it's a new stadium. This only involves the due diligence from which Asper corrected the glaring holes he left behind in his past proposals (which are now dead in the water.)
The mistakes that were made, were accidentally corrected or stumbled upon through the u of m bid. The real issues now to be considered are impartial, only because amenities such as hotels for out of town fans are sparse in that immediate area. The location isn't perfect, but that hardly rests on Asper as incompetent as it looks. A new stadium far outweighs the trivial aspects, which will be talked around a lot. The answer to the loss of fans, will be the growth for the university based fans (younger+student demographic) which Asper's camp will play that card with. Not saying it will override the material profitability of the franchise, but again a new stadium is what wins in the whole deal.
Overall, Asper had made this a doable proposal.
No one can say it's full proof, but the cracks are nowhere as near as big.
Therefore, a new stadium is in my estimation the best bet. I say an announcement is in the works now.
Formally, you will not read a better indication of what this proposal signifies^ on any other surface of the topic. What you've read is the straight up goods.
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If I make advances to women in general, you highly flatter yourself my dear. Cop out all you want to. Sadie, fuck off.
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another painful reminder to you that you'll never get in my pants and that you hold such bitterness towards me for being in a relationship and not living in my parents' basement, but I strongly suggest you get the hell over it. You sound like a freak stalker which is why when you make your bizarre little "go out with me, I really want to meet you, I love you" posts I try to ignore them, because I don't a) want to encourage that behaviour and b) don't need the inevitable freak out that follows my rejecting your advances, such as in this thread.
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predicting just how (for the record) sadie's brilliant mind will take yet another leap in the mischief of my hating her.
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Really - communicating with a person over the internet whose outlook on life goes totally off the charts it's so greatly admired.
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Let's get one thing straight, no one here attacked you. I am not bullying you, so I see no sense of the word being applicable in the sense you've implied. Therefore, do not substantiate by defending yourself as something that is just cause. It doesn't fly here.
Otherwise, what I accuse you of doing is inserting random baby pictures (just so we're clear) when I was onto something completely different. It was a missed opportunity, so as result you saw a window in which to divert attention of the subject (much the same as you've done in the past. . . ) in creating attention FOR yourself. Which is ironic, and rather convenient of you to chose in saying I am the culprit. Again, that argument will not fly here. I make myself clear as to what my opinion is, you haven't in any stretch of the discussion to be frank.
Furthermore, I am absoutely sick of hearing about your decisions that seem to prevent you from moving forward. By all indications, you thought having a spanish father's baby was a fantastic choice. I also recall you purchasing a house you couldn't afford, but for some mysterious reason.
Also, when you call vegas 'a nice guy' I don't hate him because you say that about him. How I measure people goes for what I feel. This also means: how I measure a person is strictly based on what they have to give. If I see that, it's a good thing in itself. (Not because they're "a nice guy.") As so many people in this day and age, flourish, perhaps superficially based on what they think values are present in human interaction. I used to be a person that so many people pass judgment on thinking "gee, what a nice guy" and I started investigating what that really meant to me. When I began to realize for myself, just how ordinary people freely pass their judgments, it gave me renewed sense of knowing just how easily influenced some people really are. It amazes me actually.
You are no different sadie, so stop copping out for fuck sake.
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And for fuck sake saide, if it's anyone that's ever done more hating between us it's not me that does it. Just for the record.
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You see, vegas everyone here thinks I do my best to ensure I am my own cause that - yes I - make myself an outcast. Therefore, as that logic goes no one else is to blame but myself. I admire your fellowship, it is not to be outdone by. I know what your saying. In fact, maybe you even agree with my first statement, but are taking initiative out of pity. That's fine, I can respect that either way.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 19, 2008, 12:11PM
so biggs is back to hating me again. la-di-da.
No, it's hardly worth it I'm afraid. (I thought - I told you that already.)
Just so we all know how nice your farts smell in heaven.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 19, 2008, 05:29AM
first of all, what the hell are you talking about and secondly, the "he thinks everyone is out to get him" bit sure proves true in this thread. Even though they're your words, not mine.
sadie, first off. . . i've had people like you for breakfast. Last but not least, you'd think that as much as the thousands-upon-thousands of stupid people there are in this world, may you live to regret the day you find out.
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Quote from: swedes on September 19, 2008, 01:44AM
me neither.
did hap even post in here?
Nice try, becky. However, I give you some merit.
Anyhow, i'm just trying to control the environment, eh. good ol' marco.
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Fuck. I cannot believe you people. First it's hap getting bent with cynicism, though thinking it's honorable. I say it's a double standard. Reason being I had nothing but praise for goonie, yet it gets confused notwithstanding my *true position. (Which by all accounts was applauding her for dismissing the d-bags.)
Then there's sadie acting little miss. hero because she knows something everyone else already knows about me, 'psst we've seen this before - he thinks everyone is out to get him.'
It had nothing to do with any of that. I always take my time to give insight into something worthwhile or meaningful. No argument.
I honestly thought becky and mike were above all of that, always giving benefit of the doubt. Just like everyone else in my past, it was more important to give a blind eye.
I mean just, fuck.
Why.
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For a guy that tries so hard to be funny. . . you sound like a royal ass.
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Vegas Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2008, 06:09PM »
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Quote from: Sadie on September 18, 2008, 04:42PM
I also miss social contact outside of the internet so...there's that.
I think Toonces just rented a suit!
Sorry to hear about the job thing though.
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remember that movie where the guy says, "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast," and the other guy says, "you eat pieces of shit for breakfast ,"
And the guy who said it got all flustered?
Anybody remember what movie that was? I'm drawing a blank Marco,
I just really don't want you to think that i'm trying to make you feel as an outcast. Really, I think as of late you are one of the more entertaining of the posters and I'd hate to see you stop posting.
Even though I don't pretend to understand most of your posts, I really don't want you to take my posts seriously. I type what I think at the time that I post my posts and there is nothing that I write that I write that extremes as opposed to you....... If you'd like, as of your next post, I will make my remaining posts for the next week ALL positive for you.......
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Sadie
Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2008, 12:11PM »
so biggs is back to hating me again. la-di-da.
hey, maybe if the cycle's changed he'll start liking you, vegas
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General Category / General Discussion / Re: I don't need drama so I'm walking away on: September 18, 2008, 04:46AM
How convenient. If one measures in stupdity, the other gets a shorter end of the stick. I've seen this bs before - but some magical baby pictures solve everything. Give me a break.
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008
vanilla sky
now I realize why hap calls himself hap-hap, it's because nobody has the right to impose thier will - or take away - another persons happiness in the midst of everything in life there to offer. To fight the good fight.
I get that, now. I'm getting that 'unhappiness' is a lost sense of feeling of the word which goonie accuses other people in her experience.
It's just been a rough couple of weeks, (this thread has me going) so I share my thoughts. I just forget that sometimes no matter how hard I wish people understand how important this is, it doesn't mean that they will.
What I can't accept though is how people in my age group (making use of this board as an example) simply refuse to put their thinking caps on, in broadening their view in light of this discussion. I mean, really. . . opening your minds a little takes you a long way.
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That's not what I'm saying...
How am I being alienated by saying that I've decided to drop a friend who causes me more grief and stress than happiness? I'm not blaming myself either.... Well I kinda am because I'm embarrassed that I've put up with it for so long...
And I totally feel that^ goonie. Or else - why else would you have posted a topic on it.
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I guess I choose to think about it differently. That's all I'm saying.
What I think: is that people in general that see you for what you are or how you represent yourself feel insecure around you in various circumstances, that let us say if you weren't present in such-and-such a time depend on such-and-such said indiviudals.
I've had people that are two-faced to such a degree of seperation, that I used to feel bad about myself around due to those types of people.
If you're following that I imply - you however - are not as shallow minded. Therefore, it's a matter of opinion goonie, but I respect that we disagree. Just so we're clear. That's all. I'm not putting words in your mouth, nor did I intend to.
It's simply a very interesting conversation, that dare I say is near to my heart.
I hold certain people dear to me, and so many others simply neglect or mistook that for granted, when all I ever was guilty of was trying to reach my hand out.
Today, it's a much different story now that I see^ what the truth is. People in life simply refuse to make a part in accepting responsibility for how narrow/stupid they've become. I am speaking to my generation of affluence. I would think it's worthwhile to admit it's probably universal for everyone in the day and age we're living in. But, I've completely turned my head on the matter - today - I stand up to phony people. It's kind of like what tamar said:
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all i really have to say about the matter is you're doing no one any favors by going through the motions, so if a friendship isn't working, just say so. beyond that, things are what you make of them. location isn't really a factor.
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Well, this was a most interesting conversation, that warrants a lot more insight in today's day and age of superflous behavior. I think there should be a lot more people willing to materialize how something like goonie's experience affects them personally, but that's too much to ask I guess. So, thank you to goonie for at least making the effort.
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I don't know that. You don't know that. What I saw to the contrary (from what was written) is that goonie says she's sick of some particular types of people that don't satisfy her needs as an individual. It's a different way of saying she's the one being alienated from it. The perspective I'm implying is that she's the one who's not being accpeted for who she is, which makes her feel the way she does. She's blaming herself, when it shouldn't be. If you fail to realize this explanation, god help you.
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We're talking to someone that isn't necessarily Cnd, last I remember geng is from the US. Which is to say, he may see what goonie says as 'feeling alienated' but it comes to a matter of accepting the environment you or I have no control over. That's the kind of attitude you may imply is universal across the board, tamar.
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Certainly. But we're not denying that there's a solution or not.
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If Hillary acted as Palin is now, things would be a lot different for Hillary. That being said: everything Palin does now is merely an absorbtion of how Obama reacts. If Obama does one thing - I mean only one thing - that somehow tries to cut Palin down in some undermining fashion, the floodgates will open wide enough to break his campaign. Think about what puppetry is going on behind the curtain of Obama's managment group.
I think Palin's exposure only freaks Obama's camp more and more each day, at what point they need to act.
That is this years US election rests.
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Goonie feels alienated living in Van. Obviously the people she associates with are conceited or tempermental when dealing with good natured behavior, turning to self-conscious narcissistic tendencies. Such is the life in hippie country.
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I thought fat camp was meant for skinny people only. Obesity is the norm.
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There is nothing wrong with Palin. One could say that chauvansim is driving the political agenda or left-wing propaganda of Palin. Therefore, I would say it is completely relevant to engage, being in my opinion, that Palin is in fact being treated rather chauvanistically. That should be no suprise. Obama has it far easier to speak his mind that lends itself to his platform. I think that is the easiest argument one could single out in defense of Palin. It's definitely present.
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Being honest with yourself is a very self-righteous thing, or so it feels until ou slowly back yourself into a corner. You realize things are in a state of delirium. After, you get the feeling you can live with being who you are to most people. Everyone changes, yourself included.
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u know something, beave. forget that. I believe what you meant, it's my bad. I apologize. . . but at least i gave you a constructive context as per why my conflict started toward you - or so i thought. i'm sure you can understand how i was influenced by that. it had a double meaning embedded. whatever.
p.s. i don't know if i should just be on my way, but if that's the impression i'm getting. . . i'll just leave the board completely. no harm done.
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okay, boob. if what you wrote implied "careful hap - (followed by emo-con)" was that conotation not referring to me. It seems like that was the case. I could be wrong though.
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Fuck vegas, you don't know how to help - which is the worst quality a person can have.
I will retire, voluntarily. I've done this before.
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What I hate is people that run into their fox holes, or take a dive to divert what really was intended. In short, I'm not going to tolerate the kind of double talking that beave accuses me of emo with over the internet without certainty. I call beave on it. Then beave finger-points "hey this isn't about me - weh." Fuck it, because I've graduated from high school long ago. Quite simply I'm willing to be truthful, I've never hated sadie unless it's confused with as satire, because when you hear someone say 'he hated me - but then he loves me' so often it gets old after the tenth time.
I call go analog an ewok board, thus, he can be a 'cool' ewok. I wouldn't dare, however. knock himself out.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 06:13PM
also i'm not sure wtf bigc's going on about i have at least two brians.
Really. That's funny you said so.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 05:59PM
how the fuck am i the villain again?
< if you give me one of these, it's because you're pulling it out of your ass, simply masquarading with eggs all over your face.
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Sadie: when it comes down to it, you keep bringing up the fact I "hated" you. The truth is I only thought of you in a way you criticize me about. It never meant I hate you. I think it'd mean the opposite of what you say.
As for beaf, he loves calling out victim because I can't take it if someone lashes out at me, so I play the crying game. I get that part. It doesn't mean he's right about me though, I simply care to prove that - nothing else. He should take a long deep look in the mirror if that's what he thinks of me. I'm just calling him on it. That's what substance is.
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When you give an inferior politician in Obama too much credit, who only won due in this case a female that was his closest adversary. (This speaks for a shallow right-wing anti-feminist movement.) That would have made Obama your next president I think. Your political banter is complete hogwash for an over-zealous evangelical right that leads the US democratic popular vote.
Corky wets his pants over it.
All I see is a guy riding on his high horse that offers little substance.
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from what i've observed on free internet dating sites, are that most of the women in my age group from winnipeg - are for the most part - wanting to see how much tail they can spin. It is my perception: that the purpose behind it is to check off the list of guys they can get that express what desperate lengths they would go.
My opinion is not what matters though. I'm saying that is how the sites work. It also means I'd enjoy a better method of doing those things, if we lived in an ideal world.
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28 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Online Dating Is Depressing on: September 11, 2008, 09:46AM
Quote from: Hap on September 11, 2008, 03:31AM
Yeah Marco. And you'd better be kidding about "young stupid chicks."
For the record: you made a fake impersonation of batman. I know why you really mean as you intend it and I can apologize. But really, if you accept an apology for something that was totally not what was done, I get that.
If people mistunderstand me not only for what I write, it happens in person as well. . . I have no control over that. However, if people take offense to something they think I caused, again, such is life.
I am not a stupid indiviudal by any stretch of the imagination. I kid you not. I do not deserve any of this, but I am the type of person that lands on two feet, I won't fall over. Just saying, I will take more than a punch. My intentions are not at fault, and that is where you need to know I stood this whole time even if I feel misinterpreted. (And again - if I didn't like you, I wouldn't bother with this.) But I vouch with honor.
You see how that works? But I kid you not, I know the difference in what you/becky implied. By no means am I copping out to only to back peddle out of convenience sake.
I cannot make myself any clearer than this.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 03:51AM
careful hap
I am not stealing haps thunder here, because only intelligent people know how to administer themselves (yes - even over the internet some things are more prone than others.)
However, I wish I were an ape myself (by all means necessary I still am), because I'd still be smarter then most.
As for you beave you're either taking on Irish's role, or those insightful ewok friends of yours, but I guess scot is right there with you. Better to be an ape with brians than a hammer-hole with nothing to offer (which is the case.)
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By all indications, what I originally assumed was harmless has been inappropriately taken out of context. Put into what it really espouses, is that "young stupid chicks" want only to see how many guys that will hit on them over the internet. This clearly wasn't the case with goonie, which I emphatically wrote that Internet dating isn't stupid, the people are. I thought this was obvious, and to me, I also knew what goonie meant. Therefore, I was on her side the whole time. If that doesn't clear it up, I honestly don't know what else to say.
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such bs. i mean really. talk about desperate, she may as well declare herself rosie o'donnel's next hump.
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obviously my question was worth asking. something we hardly see in post modern politics. no challenging questions, because those are for engineers/doctors/lawyers and such.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 10, 2008, 03:59AM
when I used to go to the bar my friends couldn't get over how often I was approached...mostly because I was so completely disinterested, unlike most of the girls there for the meatmarket.
So go out, act like a cold-ass bitch and you'll probably land a nice guy. Know how they say all the good guys are either gay or taken? They feel the opposite - nice guys always finish last. Which means there should be a decent amount of good guys out there since the people hooking up are all dicks and bitches
It's hard to approach the nice ones like sadie though. I just sit, and I let Sadie-type come to me (when they feel like they're ready to talk.) Honest. That's my one and only strategy. i don't know how else to put it. i'm just not 18 anymore, i've waited to get to this point all my life.
re; hap 30+ suckers
I'm feeling pretty bad about myself right now. I am.
But really, i hate my conceited friends, because that's how shallow i've become. that seems like a load of crap, but a whole part of me wishes that over-ambitious types made a quiet revolution (much like myself) and realize that jumping ahead is being part of the rat race.
Becky totally helps ground hap.
Merk, do not kid yourself. . . your wife loved being hit on by that guy that night. it helps a womans confidence (even if she is married.)
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I simply refuse to believe in any person that falls over themselves based on attention seeking behavior gone amok
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Everything that Palin does, will be what Hillary should have. That being said: no one knows yet what effect this will have for Palin. But I certainly won't underestimate her.
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I consider that fairly close to accurate, my reason being, Palin whether we agree or not is libertine or conservative in the traditionalist sense of feminist ideology. Palin's connection is of full disclosure to the fact, feminists whether they agree with Palin, will NOT pass this historic opportunity that would elect a female VP into the whitehouse. My argument is that exclusively based on what elite feminist models, would be sure to vault Palin as a hero. This follows if Palin matches Obama stride for stride, Palin will gain tremendous support that any left-leaning candidate has to deal with. Palin has everything to gain, which is both fair as it is logical for such achievement if it is to occur. There's no catch here, just the facts, that I don't put past Palin one iota. If Palin can demonstrate her skills on a level that Americans find leniant, she can really shock the world. It's an open ended argument, with no direct result of conveying what will acutally happen. However, if you keep an ear to the ground and Palin comes out swinging, you can believe a wave of Palin post ergo Hillary supporters will be swooning.
If that doesn't answer your question truthfully; I will buy you a beer myself hap.
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Whichever the case is true of feminist ideology or not, there is no disputing the fact that Palin is a radical feminist.
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BTW - for those of us keeping score. I might be the first one to say this that I know of. However, Palin is being thrust into the spot light as an ultra feminist running for VP. Think about that last statement for a second, this follows. . . the Republican nomination of Palin weighed in heavily due to Hillary Clinton. The reason for this is simple: the strategy behind McCains republican side saw a window of opportunity thanks to the Deomocratic nomination of Barack Obama. The new wave of Hillary Clinton supporters is indicative of why the Republicans strategically made Palin/McCain a reality. Palin is acting in a manner that Hillary Clinton should have done, with a more pragmatic/open politics of personality to rival Obama. (Something Hillary critics say cost her dearly.) Therefore, the Republicans have completely blindsided Obama, and Palin W-I-L-L singlehandedly win over the feminist voters that were sworn to Hillary Clinton. That should be half of the democratic voters that voted against Obama in the primary's. The Republicans are virtually giving the Hillary supporters a choice that they cannot refuse. For Obama, this means that all McCain has to do is pass out werther originals to become the next president.
I have to say, the Palin move was a diamond in the rough. Obama's camp are more like boy scouts without Hillary power now, the irony is Hillary's campaigning turned out positive for Palin and this might be a trend in politics for many happy with the alpha female choice.
Brought to you by yours truly, don't say you learned this from TIME magazine. . . I gave this to you first people.
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A pro-feminist candidate that's also pro-life is a false dichotomy judging from today's standards. So Palin decides to throw pro-abortionists under the bus to protect her political career, what else is new.
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re; u of m asper's stadium
This parking thing has got to be a joke.
A simple conversation with my dad, which revealed, there is more than enough land to easily occupy a 30,000 stall parking lot adjacent to any infrastructure within the u of m already.
It is simply a non-issue; parking is just another cop-out mediocre journalistic expose for winnipeg free press writers or winnipeg sun. Take your pick.
The stadium is a go.
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No - you get no argument from me there. But you have to know when to hit the breaks apart from that.
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The distraction is no longer there. The future stadium will be fairly reasonably located, (take route 90) onto the perimiter highway then down Bishop Grandin. . . all roads from there lead to Asper's dream.
But yes, finally, the gig is up. I am a reasonable man, but by no means am I a stupid individual. I can live with this plan for the stadium.
But, from all angles we're on board whether you like the u of m site or not. It's going to be fun watching the old barn go down in a heap.
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I'm fairly certain the wheels are officially in motion for the u of m proposal. . . the feds will give into the idea considering Asper's ante. Everything is in place, the feds will play spin doctor based on copping out to uni. funding as a loop hole. Clever strategy by Asper.
But this thing is going to happen, no question about it now.
The stadium will become a reality. I have no doubt about it now.
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I absolutely love those solid blue helmets.
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Man, I just can't get over fred reid. Now that guy is a back. Just great to have him on our team. No matter how deep the hole is, I am glad for fred reid.
In the 4th qrt, when joe smith was back there before glenn threw the td to bryant, every argo (i kid you not) was zoned in on joltin joe for the option. That right there made the td happen.
Charles who?
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hahaha - please answer my question zoo.
3-8. Here we go.
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Did I forget to mention berry looking like a retard for not turning to widdie.
P.S. Freddie Reid - yes you are a player. Good for you, man.
P.S.S. Dear brendan taman - it's safe to say Sanford is a player that stuck it to ya'.
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Okay, we've been waiting all year for this - and finally we get to watch a complete football game.
Serna actually making kicks look easy.
Kai Ellis. (enough said.)
Sanford Samuels
Ian Logan
Zeke Moreno (thank you)
Fred Reid (Charles who?)
in the 4th qrt - the entire argo defense looking at joltin joe in the backfield. Glenn runs the option to perfection and finds #81 Bryant for a 45 yard td. I mean - that was a thing of beauty. That's what a running game does, everything gets wide open because #33 is back there.
The entire team looks happy, Berry catches fire on the sidelines that no one can put out.
1 - redstallion gets honorable mention here because he's felt our pain all year, so kudos to him.
2 - zoo' do the jerseys really remind you of what we used to look like? (you're the one poster that when we win i believe is truly happy.)
3 - footballmad - do you attribute this win more so to the fact the don is his first game back, or are the argos really this undisciplined (yikes) + bad a team.
P.S. As I said in my other thread, I caught Marshal giving Berry the death stare when Glenn went down in the 4th. Clearly thinking: 'You idiot. . . when will you learn to get our qb out.'
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Our defense, I mean - just lovely to watch.
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Great. Now Berry looks like a fool for keeping Glenn in - rather than bringing in Dinwiddie. (Glenn is on the turf.)
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^It must be said, old school football. . . there's nothing like it.
Joe Smith and Freddie Reid just look like a match made in heaven.
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The Don just looks stupified.
Bomba's joltin joe, just looks - well - wow.
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I don't know about retro, but those solid dark blue helmets just added a little something extra. They played old fashion smash mouth ball tonight.
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Saying the DBs cost us the game is fair. I'm not impartial to glenn, these are pretty small criticisms.
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give you benefit of the doubt in making a lucid observation, but objectively speaking I would say the qb puts the ball where a player can adapt easily. I'm not saying it was Glenn's fault Armstrong didn't catch the ball, but Bishop took Glenn to the cleaners in the 4th quarter when it mattered. Enough said.
P.S. Of course I have bias toward Armstrong, he's my favorite
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I must say: Having freddie reid with joltin joe back just might draw a winnable gameplan for widdie. Right now, we need to keep games on the road close and pull it out with a 4th quarter qb (ball control offense). Glenn has done this in the past. However, Glenn lost us the game last week with those horrific 4th quarter 2 and outs. Those were unacceptable.
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randall is an exciting player. definitely cfl material that can do a lot of things differently.
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redwhite2005 wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
Depth can be costly, considering -2 draft picks to Hamilton. However, is there excess in linebackers looking ahead. Yes. Now, all we have are a bunch of injured LBs no good to us. Of all the LB's we have, we're heading deep into the woods, but if we're getting back out alive is simply too hard to answer.
This week has been crazier than last.
All thanks to Brendan Taman. I mean, Tom Canada has been easily one of my favorite players over the years, as was Charles Roberts.
Wow why is it Taman loves giving away draft choices?
I am going to answer this.
You look at the situation with Matt Sheridan. A gm with such illusion of an attitude-problem type of player, would raise a red flag, worse come to worse, not re-sign him. That would leave us the choice of bringing back A. Greene. Instead, Taman has Sheridan hoping a team desperate for one will give us some window to trade him. That tells me the sign of an inferior gm.
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I think you are making a statement regarding your own opinion in favor of Matthews. However, my point was that don is an old goat. Simply discriminating.
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Moreno was rebelling. Plain and simple. Not that we're complaining, we're lucky to have him.
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True that. Things could be worse, as you can imagine, we could've hired Don Matthews.
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Considering how most fans that come from Sask. look like - wearing bags is a fashion statement.
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It's a good problem to have - no? What does this really say about Taman though? I mean - now that Moreno is a Bomber, a pivotal asset on this team is now solidified. Are we for or against Taman - seeing how intrusive (for lack of a better term) handling of Roberts - and now - Canada was for this team.
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I wouldn't say people should stay away, it shows as fans (when you go even when we're losing) that we are a community owned franchise, and that managment should take notice about how poorly they're managing. That's just my honest opinion.
I am not a means to an end type of guy. I seek the end in itself.
That is to say - you live and die by the sword, you just don't swing your sword around like a madman hoping to kill something with it.
^and i didn't just make that up, that's how i believe things.
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Okay, so now that we're talking some serious football here, (I love LB talk). . . I love what Lobendahn has had to do this year. However, I still think he's got a lot of work to do, especially in identifying critical passing situations. That being said, I give the nod to Cam Hall.
So my revamped LB'ing core would look like this:
Hall - Moreno - Charlton.
Lobendahn is a great depth player, but I don't care about his size, I want speed and agility with the smarts to cover plays.
But you have to say it - this group heading into next year is not bad.
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I have no problem with Tom Canada.
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^And I've always been a big fan of Ike.
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^oh man, i'm now getting flashbacks at just how good our LBs were playing in the post-season last year.
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It's hard not to agree with you. You build an offense around an OL, on defense you build around not one - but 3/4 solid LB's.
It's no secret our LB philosophy are fast/furious players. They must have speed to burn. I've always agreed with that.
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I hate the fact Taman resorted to losing yet another 1st rounder. Gawd, that was dumb.
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HfxTC wrote:
2 NI for an import Middle linebacker. Great trade for the future of the Ticats. Great trade to save the season of the Bombers.
At 2-8 you think it'd be more exciting if we actually had a real horse in the race. Don't kid yourself. I'm not even being pessimistic here; the one thing positive is that Taman is kicking his own arse into gear.
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You forgot Berry for Taffe
All you had to say is: you think the trade is stupid.
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If Taman makes moves that improve the club, he will not be fired. The time to act is now, but the right trades have to be made.
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Not saying taman would do that though, ^but I would. We could survive with both Glenn and Printers, until Printers gets the playbook figured out. Hell, if Taman were thinking he'd trade Glenn for Bauman.
Glenn/ Printers
Goodspeed/ Moreno
Brown/ Bauman
pick/ pick
Not bad I say.
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Something should happen with Printers coming over here with Zeke. Doug Brown, with Dan Goodspeed plus Hamilton's first pick for our First pick.
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The last I checked Kerry Joseph is Don Matthews qb.
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The Bomber's will not trade Gavin Walls.
Whoever else is all good.
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Honestly, if Printers is available, I would trade Goodspeed and Brown for him.
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buffalo1 wrote:
Can someone clear this up for me? I've heard reference to the "Sheridan situation" but I don't know what that means. I thought he was injured. Is it something else?
Thanks to whoever can answer this for me.
He has an attitude problem which the team won't correct for him. That is the word on the street, that other gms in the league won't trade for him due to injury riddled career. That about sums it up. He's done as a bomber for certain.
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bluecrue wrote:
hmm blew a 17 point lead excellent
Glenn had some 2 and outs in the 4th quarter, but bashing glenn (for me - maybe not for some) is growing long on the tooth. We all know Glenn can compete, he's just not an elite qb. But he's not that bad, although we can only blame our defense for today / Glenn assumes almost none for the loss. We have to be fair here.
The positive is we finally saw an offense out there.
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Good call about Marshal. The guy knows how to prepare, I like how he sat Canada and inserted Wayne for another unnecessary roughness call.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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You should know. I was referring to BigU. We're not the kind of fans that fear intimidation, that's not what Bomber football is about.
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Re; doubleblue
In reply to Leo Lewis, there is no question. . . I'd take Leo Lewis on my team x1000 before any other player in that category.
re; bigdave
I hope that my style of writing offends no ones comprehension for english.
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I'm fully looking forward to watch Fred Reid.
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I love Fred Reid. Super happy that this man gets his turn.
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da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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I get that, now. I'm getting that 'unhappiness' is a lost sense of feeling of the word which goonie accuses other people in her experience.
It's just been a rough couple of weeks, (this thread has me going) so I share my thoughts. I just forget that sometimes no matter how hard I wish people understand how important this is, it doesn't mean that they will.
What I can't accept though is how people in my age group (making use of this board as an example) simply refuse to put their thinking caps on, in broadening their view in light of this discussion. I mean, really. . . opening your minds a little takes you a long way.
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That's not what I'm saying...
How am I being alienated by saying that I've decided to drop a friend who causes me more grief and stress than happiness? I'm not blaming myself either.... Well I kinda am because I'm embarrassed that I've put up with it for so long...
And I totally feel that^ goonie. Or else - why else would you have posted a topic on it.
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I guess I choose to think about it differently. That's all I'm saying.
What I think: is that people in general that see you for what you are or how you represent yourself feel insecure around you in various circumstances, that let us say if you weren't present in such-and-such a time depend on such-and-such said indiviudals.
I've had people that are two-faced to such a degree of seperation, that I used to feel bad about myself around due to those types of people.
If you're following that I imply - you however - are not as shallow minded. Therefore, it's a matter of opinion goonie, but I respect that we disagree. Just so we're clear. That's all. I'm not putting words in your mouth, nor did I intend to.
It's simply a very interesting conversation, that dare I say is near to my heart.
I hold certain people dear to me, and so many others simply neglect or mistook that for granted, when all I ever was guilty of was trying to reach my hand out.
Today, it's a much different story now that I see^ what the truth is. People in life simply refuse to make a part in accepting responsibility for how narrow/stupid they've become. I am speaking to my generation of affluence. I would think it's worthwhile to admit it's probably universal for everyone in the day and age we're living in. But, I've completely turned my head on the matter - today - I stand up to phony people. It's kind of like what tamar said:
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all i really have to say about the matter is you're doing no one any favors by going through the motions, so if a friendship isn't working, just say so. beyond that, things are what you make of them. location isn't really a factor.
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Well, this was a most interesting conversation, that warrants a lot more insight in today's day and age of superflous behavior. I think there should be a lot more people willing to materialize how something like goonie's experience affects them personally, but that's too much to ask I guess. So, thank you to goonie for at least making the effort.
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I don't know that. You don't know that. What I saw to the contrary (from what was written) is that goonie says she's sick of some particular types of people that don't satisfy her needs as an individual. It's a different way of saying she's the one being alienated from it. The perspective I'm implying is that she's the one who's not being accpeted for who she is, which makes her feel the way she does. She's blaming herself, when it shouldn't be. If you fail to realize this explanation, god help you.
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We're talking to someone that isn't necessarily Cnd, last I remember geng is from the US. Which is to say, he may see what goonie says as 'feeling alienated' but it comes to a matter of accepting the environment you or I have no control over. That's the kind of attitude you may imply is universal across the board, tamar.
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Certainly. But we're not denying that there's a solution or not.
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If Hillary acted as Palin is now, things would be a lot different for Hillary. That being said: everything Palin does now is merely an absorbtion of how Obama reacts. If Obama does one thing - I mean only one thing - that somehow tries to cut Palin down in some undermining fashion, the floodgates will open wide enough to break his campaign. Think about what puppetry is going on behind the curtain of Obama's managment group.
I think Palin's exposure only freaks Obama's camp more and more each day, at what point they need to act.
That is this years US election rests.
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Goonie feels alienated living in Van. Obviously the people she associates with are conceited or tempermental when dealing with good natured behavior, turning to self-conscious narcissistic tendencies. Such is the life in hippie country.
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I thought fat camp was meant for skinny people only. Obesity is the norm.
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There is nothing wrong with Palin. One could say that chauvansim is driving the political agenda or left-wing propaganda of Palin. Therefore, I would say it is completely relevant to engage, being in my opinion, that Palin is in fact being treated rather chauvanistically. That should be no suprise. Obama has it far easier to speak his mind that lends itself to his platform. I think that is the easiest argument one could single out in defense of Palin. It's definitely present.
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Being honest with yourself is a very self-righteous thing, or so it feels until ou slowly back yourself into a corner. You realize things are in a state of delirium. After, you get the feeling you can live with being who you are to most people. Everyone changes, yourself included.
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u know something, beave. forget that. I believe what you meant, it's my bad. I apologize. . . but at least i gave you a constructive context as per why my conflict started toward you - or so i thought. i'm sure you can understand how i was influenced by that. it had a double meaning embedded. whatever.
p.s. i don't know if i should just be on my way, but if that's the impression i'm getting. . . i'll just leave the board completely. no harm done.
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okay, boob. if what you wrote implied "careful hap - (followed by emo-con)" was that conotation not referring to me. It seems like that was the case. I could be wrong though.
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Fuck vegas, you don't know how to help - which is the worst quality a person can have.
I will retire, voluntarily. I've done this before.
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What I hate is people that run into their fox holes, or take a dive to divert what really was intended. In short, I'm not going to tolerate the kind of double talking that beave accuses me of emo with over the internet without certainty. I call beave on it. Then beave finger-points "hey this isn't about me - weh." Fuck it, because I've graduated from high school long ago. Quite simply I'm willing to be truthful, I've never hated sadie unless it's confused with as satire, because when you hear someone say 'he hated me - but then he loves me' so often it gets old after the tenth time.
I call go analog an ewok board, thus, he can be a 'cool' ewok. I wouldn't dare, however. knock himself out.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 06:13PM
also i'm not sure wtf bigc's going on about i have at least two brians.
Really. That's funny you said so.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 05:59PM
how the fuck am i the villain again?
< if you give me one of these, it's because you're pulling it out of your ass, simply masquarading with eggs all over your face.
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Sadie: when it comes down to it, you keep bringing up the fact I "hated" you. The truth is I only thought of you in a way you criticize me about. It never meant I hate you. I think it'd mean the opposite of what you say.
As for beaf, he loves calling out victim because I can't take it if someone lashes out at me, so I play the crying game. I get that part. It doesn't mean he's right about me though, I simply care to prove that - nothing else. He should take a long deep look in the mirror if that's what he thinks of me. I'm just calling him on it. That's what substance is.
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When you give an inferior politician in Obama too much credit, who only won due in this case a female that was his closest adversary. (This speaks for a shallow right-wing anti-feminist movement.) That would have made Obama your next president I think. Your political banter is complete hogwash for an over-zealous evangelical right that leads the US democratic popular vote.
Corky wets his pants over it.
All I see is a guy riding on his high horse that offers little substance.
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from what i've observed on free internet dating sites, are that most of the women in my age group from winnipeg - are for the most part - wanting to see how much tail they can spin. It is my perception: that the purpose behind it is to check off the list of guys they can get that express what desperate lengths they would go.
My opinion is not what matters though. I'm saying that is how the sites work. It also means I'd enjoy a better method of doing those things, if we lived in an ideal world.
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28 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Online Dating Is Depressing on: September 11, 2008, 09:46AM
Quote from: Hap on September 11, 2008, 03:31AM
Yeah Marco. And you'd better be kidding about "young stupid chicks."
For the record: you made a fake impersonation of batman. I know why you really mean as you intend it and I can apologize. But really, if you accept an apology for something that was totally not what was done, I get that.
If people mistunderstand me not only for what I write, it happens in person as well. . . I have no control over that. However, if people take offense to something they think I caused, again, such is life.
I am not a stupid indiviudal by any stretch of the imagination. I kid you not. I do not deserve any of this, but I am the type of person that lands on two feet, I won't fall over. Just saying, I will take more than a punch. My intentions are not at fault, and that is where you need to know I stood this whole time even if I feel misinterpreted. (And again - if I didn't like you, I wouldn't bother with this.) But I vouch with honor.
You see how that works? But I kid you not, I know the difference in what you/becky implied. By no means am I copping out to only to back peddle out of convenience sake.
I cannot make myself any clearer than this.
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Quote from: beaf on September 11, 2008, 03:51AM
careful hap
I am not stealing haps thunder here, because only intelligent people know how to administer themselves (yes - even over the internet some things are more prone than others.)
However, I wish I were an ape myself (by all means necessary I still am), because I'd still be smarter then most.
As for you beave you're either taking on Irish's role, or those insightful ewok friends of yours, but I guess scot is right there with you. Better to be an ape with brians than a hammer-hole with nothing to offer (which is the case.)
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By all indications, what I originally assumed was harmless has been inappropriately taken out of context. Put into what it really espouses, is that "young stupid chicks" want only to see how many guys that will hit on them over the internet. This clearly wasn't the case with goonie, which I emphatically wrote that Internet dating isn't stupid, the people are. I thought this was obvious, and to me, I also knew what goonie meant. Therefore, I was on her side the whole time. If that doesn't clear it up, I honestly don't know what else to say.
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such bs. i mean really. talk about desperate, she may as well declare herself rosie o'donnel's next hump.
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obviously my question was worth asking. something we hardly see in post modern politics. no challenging questions, because those are for engineers/doctors/lawyers and such.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 10, 2008, 03:59AM
when I used to go to the bar my friends couldn't get over how often I was approached...mostly because I was so completely disinterested, unlike most of the girls there for the meatmarket.
So go out, act like a cold-ass bitch and you'll probably land a nice guy. Know how they say all the good guys are either gay or taken? They feel the opposite - nice guys always finish last. Which means there should be a decent amount of good guys out there since the people hooking up are all dicks and bitches
It's hard to approach the nice ones like sadie though. I just sit, and I let Sadie-type come to me (when they feel like they're ready to talk.) Honest. That's my one and only strategy. i don't know how else to put it. i'm just not 18 anymore, i've waited to get to this point all my life.
re; hap 30+ suckers
I'm feeling pretty bad about myself right now. I am.
But really, i hate my conceited friends, because that's how shallow i've become. that seems like a load of crap, but a whole part of me wishes that over-ambitious types made a quiet revolution (much like myself) and realize that jumping ahead is being part of the rat race.
Becky totally helps ground hap.
Merk, do not kid yourself. . . your wife loved being hit on by that guy that night. it helps a womans confidence (even if she is married.)
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I simply refuse to believe in any person that falls over themselves based on attention seeking behavior gone amok
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Everything that Palin does, will be what Hillary should have. That being said: no one knows yet what effect this will have for Palin. But I certainly won't underestimate her.
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I consider that fairly close to accurate, my reason being, Palin whether we agree or not is libertine or conservative in the traditionalist sense of feminist ideology. Palin's connection is of full disclosure to the fact, feminists whether they agree with Palin, will NOT pass this historic opportunity that would elect a female VP into the whitehouse. My argument is that exclusively based on what elite feminist models, would be sure to vault Palin as a hero. This follows if Palin matches Obama stride for stride, Palin will gain tremendous support that any left-leaning candidate has to deal with. Palin has everything to gain, which is both fair as it is logical for such achievement if it is to occur. There's no catch here, just the facts, that I don't put past Palin one iota. If Palin can demonstrate her skills on a level that Americans find leniant, she can really shock the world. It's an open ended argument, with no direct result of conveying what will acutally happen. However, if you keep an ear to the ground and Palin comes out swinging, you can believe a wave of Palin post ergo Hillary supporters will be swooning.
If that doesn't answer your question truthfully; I will buy you a beer myself hap.
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Whichever the case is true of feminist ideology or not, there is no disputing the fact that Palin is a radical feminist.
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BTW - for those of us keeping score. I might be the first one to say this that I know of. However, Palin is being thrust into the spot light as an ultra feminist running for VP. Think about that last statement for a second, this follows. . . the Republican nomination of Palin weighed in heavily due to Hillary Clinton. The reason for this is simple: the strategy behind McCains republican side saw a window of opportunity thanks to the Deomocratic nomination of Barack Obama. The new wave of Hillary Clinton supporters is indicative of why the Republicans strategically made Palin/McCain a reality. Palin is acting in a manner that Hillary Clinton should have done, with a more pragmatic/open politics of personality to rival Obama. (Something Hillary critics say cost her dearly.) Therefore, the Republicans have completely blindsided Obama, and Palin W-I-L-L singlehandedly win over the feminist voters that were sworn to Hillary Clinton. That should be half of the democratic voters that voted against Obama in the primary's. The Republicans are virtually giving the Hillary supporters a choice that they cannot refuse. For Obama, this means that all McCain has to do is pass out werther originals to become the next president.
I have to say, the Palin move was a diamond in the rough. Obama's camp are more like boy scouts without Hillary power now, the irony is Hillary's campaigning turned out positive for Palin and this might be a trend in politics for many happy with the alpha female choice.
Brought to you by yours truly, don't say you learned this from TIME magazine. . . I gave this to you first people.
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A pro-feminist candidate that's also pro-life is a false dichotomy judging from today's standards. So Palin decides to throw pro-abortionists under the bus to protect her political career, what else is new.
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re; u of m asper's stadium
This parking thing has got to be a joke.
A simple conversation with my dad, which revealed, there is more than enough land to easily occupy a 30,000 stall parking lot adjacent to any infrastructure within the u of m already.
It is simply a non-issue; parking is just another cop-out mediocre journalistic expose for winnipeg free press writers or winnipeg sun. Take your pick.
The stadium is a go.
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No - you get no argument from me there. But you have to know when to hit the breaks apart from that.
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The distraction is no longer there. The future stadium will be fairly reasonably located, (take route 90) onto the perimiter highway then down Bishop Grandin. . . all roads from there lead to Asper's dream.
But yes, finally, the gig is up. I am a reasonable man, but by no means am I a stupid individual. I can live with this plan for the stadium.
But, from all angles we're on board whether you like the u of m site or not. It's going to be fun watching the old barn go down in a heap.
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I'm fairly certain the wheels are officially in motion for the u of m proposal. . . the feds will give into the idea considering Asper's ante. Everything is in place, the feds will play spin doctor based on copping out to uni. funding as a loop hole. Clever strategy by Asper.
But this thing is going to happen, no question about it now.
The stadium will become a reality. I have no doubt about it now.
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I absolutely love those solid blue helmets.
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Man, I just can't get over fred reid. Now that guy is a back. Just great to have him on our team. No matter how deep the hole is, I am glad for fred reid.
In the 4th qrt, when joe smith was back there before glenn threw the td to bryant, every argo (i kid you not) was zoned in on joltin joe for the option. That right there made the td happen.
Charles who?
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hahaha - please answer my question zoo.
3-8. Here we go.
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Did I forget to mention berry looking like a retard for not turning to widdie.
P.S. Freddie Reid - yes you are a player. Good for you, man.
P.S.S. Dear brendan taman - it's safe to say Sanford is a player that stuck it to ya'.
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Okay, we've been waiting all year for this - and finally we get to watch a complete football game.
Serna actually making kicks look easy.
Kai Ellis. (enough said.)
Sanford Samuels
Ian Logan
Zeke Moreno (thank you)
Fred Reid (Charles who?)
in the 4th qrt - the entire argo defense looking at joltin joe in the backfield. Glenn runs the option to perfection and finds #81 Bryant for a 45 yard td. I mean - that was a thing of beauty. That's what a running game does, everything gets wide open because #33 is back there.
The entire team looks happy, Berry catches fire on the sidelines that no one can put out.
1 - redstallion gets honorable mention here because he's felt our pain all year, so kudos to him.
2 - zoo' do the jerseys really remind you of what we used to look like? (you're the one poster that when we win i believe is truly happy.)
3 - footballmad - do you attribute this win more so to the fact the don is his first game back, or are the argos really this undisciplined (yikes) + bad a team.
P.S. As I said in my other thread, I caught Marshal giving Berry the death stare when Glenn went down in the 4th. Clearly thinking: 'You idiot. . . when will you learn to get our qb out.'
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Our defense, I mean - just lovely to watch.
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Great. Now Berry looks like a fool for keeping Glenn in - rather than bringing in Dinwiddie. (Glenn is on the turf.)
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^It must be said, old school football. . . there's nothing like it.
Joe Smith and Freddie Reid just look like a match made in heaven.
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The Don just looks stupified.
Bomba's joltin joe, just looks - well - wow.
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I don't know about retro, but those solid dark blue helmets just added a little something extra. They played old fashion smash mouth ball tonight.
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Saying the DBs cost us the game is fair. I'm not impartial to glenn, these are pretty small criticisms.
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give you benefit of the doubt in making a lucid observation, but objectively speaking I would say the qb puts the ball where a player can adapt easily. I'm not saying it was Glenn's fault Armstrong didn't catch the ball, but Bishop took Glenn to the cleaners in the 4th quarter when it mattered. Enough said.
P.S. Of course I have bias toward Armstrong, he's my favorite
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I must say: Having freddie reid with joltin joe back just might draw a winnable gameplan for widdie. Right now, we need to keep games on the road close and pull it out with a 4th quarter qb (ball control offense). Glenn has done this in the past. However, Glenn lost us the game last week with those horrific 4th quarter 2 and outs. Those were unacceptable.
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randall is an exciting player. definitely cfl material that can do a lot of things differently.
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redwhite2005 wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
Depth can be costly, considering -2 draft picks to Hamilton. However, is there excess in linebackers looking ahead. Yes. Now, all we have are a bunch of injured LBs no good to us. Of all the LB's we have, we're heading deep into the woods, but if we're getting back out alive is simply too hard to answer.
This week has been crazier than last.
All thanks to Brendan Taman. I mean, Tom Canada has been easily one of my favorite players over the years, as was Charles Roberts.
Wow why is it Taman loves giving away draft choices?
I am going to answer this.
You look at the situation with Matt Sheridan. A gm with such illusion of an attitude-problem type of player, would raise a red flag, worse come to worse, not re-sign him. That would leave us the choice of bringing back A. Greene. Instead, Taman has Sheridan hoping a team desperate for one will give us some window to trade him. That tells me the sign of an inferior gm.
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I think you are making a statement regarding your own opinion in favor of Matthews. However, my point was that don is an old goat. Simply discriminating.
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Moreno was rebelling. Plain and simple. Not that we're complaining, we're lucky to have him.
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True that. Things could be worse, as you can imagine, we could've hired Don Matthews.
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Considering how most fans that come from Sask. look like - wearing bags is a fashion statement.
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It's a good problem to have - no? What does this really say about Taman though? I mean - now that Moreno is a Bomber, a pivotal asset on this team is now solidified. Are we for or against Taman - seeing how intrusive (for lack of a better term) handling of Roberts - and now - Canada was for this team.
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I wouldn't say people should stay away, it shows as fans (when you go even when we're losing) that we are a community owned franchise, and that managment should take notice about how poorly they're managing. That's just my honest opinion.
I am not a means to an end type of guy. I seek the end in itself.
That is to say - you live and die by the sword, you just don't swing your sword around like a madman hoping to kill something with it.
^and i didn't just make that up, that's how i believe things.
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Okay, so now that we're talking some serious football here, (I love LB talk). . . I love what Lobendahn has had to do this year. However, I still think he's got a lot of work to do, especially in identifying critical passing situations. That being said, I give the nod to Cam Hall.
So my revamped LB'ing core would look like this:
Hall - Moreno - Charlton.
Lobendahn is a great depth player, but I don't care about his size, I want speed and agility with the smarts to cover plays.
But you have to say it - this group heading into next year is not bad.
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I have no problem with Tom Canada.
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^And I've always been a big fan of Ike.
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^oh man, i'm now getting flashbacks at just how good our LBs were playing in the post-season last year.
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It's hard not to agree with you. You build an offense around an OL, on defense you build around not one - but 3/4 solid LB's.
It's no secret our LB philosophy are fast/furious players. They must have speed to burn. I've always agreed with that.
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I hate the fact Taman resorted to losing yet another 1st rounder. Gawd, that was dumb.
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HfxTC wrote:
2 NI for an import Middle linebacker. Great trade for the future of the Ticats. Great trade to save the season of the Bombers.
At 2-8 you think it'd be more exciting if we actually had a real horse in the race. Don't kid yourself. I'm not even being pessimistic here; the one thing positive is that Taman is kicking his own arse into gear.
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You forgot Berry for Taffe
All you had to say is: you think the trade is stupid.
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If Taman makes moves that improve the club, he will not be fired. The time to act is now, but the right trades have to be made.
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Not saying taman would do that though, ^but I would. We could survive with both Glenn and Printers, until Printers gets the playbook figured out. Hell, if Taman were thinking he'd trade Glenn for Bauman.
Glenn/ Printers
Goodspeed/ Moreno
Brown/ Bauman
pick/ pick
Not bad I say.
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Something should happen with Printers coming over here with Zeke. Doug Brown, with Dan Goodspeed plus Hamilton's first pick for our First pick.
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The last I checked Kerry Joseph is Don Matthews qb.
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The Bomber's will not trade Gavin Walls.
Whoever else is all good.
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Honestly, if Printers is available, I would trade Goodspeed and Brown for him.
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buffalo1 wrote:
Can someone clear this up for me? I've heard reference to the "Sheridan situation" but I don't know what that means. I thought he was injured. Is it something else?
Thanks to whoever can answer this for me.
He has an attitude problem which the team won't correct for him. That is the word on the street, that other gms in the league won't trade for him due to injury riddled career. That about sums it up. He's done as a bomber for certain.
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bluecrue wrote:
hmm blew a 17 point lead excellent
Glenn had some 2 and outs in the 4th quarter, but bashing glenn (for me - maybe not for some) is growing long on the tooth. We all know Glenn can compete, he's just not an elite qb. But he's not that bad, although we can only blame our defense for today / Glenn assumes almost none for the loss. We have to be fair here.
The positive is we finally saw an offense out there.
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Good call about Marshal. The guy knows how to prepare, I like how he sat Canada and inserted Wayne for another unnecessary roughness call.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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You should know. I was referring to BigU. We're not the kind of fans that fear intimidation, that's not what Bomber football is about.
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Re; doubleblue
In reply to Leo Lewis, there is no question. . . I'd take Leo Lewis on my team x1000 before any other player in that category.
re; bigdave
I hope that my style of writing offends no ones comprehension for english.
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I'm fully looking forward to watch Fred Reid.
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I love Fred Reid. Super happy that this man gets his turn.
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da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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Thursday, September 11, 2008
dinner
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Quote from: Hap on Today at 03:31 AM
Yeah Marco. And you'd better be kidding about "young stupid chicks."
For the record: you made a fake impersonation of batman. I know why you really mean as you intend it and I can apologize. But really, if you accept an apology for something that was totally not what was done, I get that.
If people mistunderstand me not only for what I write, it happens in person as well. . . I have no control over that. However, if people take offense to something they think I caused, again, such is life.
I am not a stupid indiviudal by any stretch of the imagination. I kid you not. I do not deserve any of this, but I am the type of person that lands on two feet, I won't fall over. Just saying, I will take more than a punch. My intentions are not at fault, and that is where you need to know I stood this whole time even if I feel misinterpreted. (And again - if I didn't like you, I wouldn't bother with this.) But I vouch with honor.
You see how that works? But I kid you not, I know the difference in what you/becky implied. By no means am I copping out to only to back peddle out of convenience sake.
I cannot make myself any clearer than this.
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Quote from: beaf on Today at 03:51 AM
careful hap
I am not stealing haps thunder here, because only intelligent people know how to administer themselves (yes - even over the internet some things are more prone than others.)
However, I wish I were an ape myself (by all means necessary I still am), because I'd still be smarter then most.
As for you beave you're either taking on Irish's role, or those insightful ewok friends of yours, but I guess scot is right there with you. Better to be an ape with brians than a hammer-hole with nothing to offer (which is the case.)
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By all indications, what I originally assumed was harmless has been inappropriately taken out of context. Put into what it really espouses, is that "young stupid chicks" want only to see how many guys that will hit on them over the internet. This clearly wasn't the case with goonie, which I emphatically wrote that Internet dating isn't stupid, the people are. I thought this was obvious, and to me, I also knew what goonie meant. Therefore, I was on her side the whole time. If that doesn't clear it up, I honestly don't know what else to say.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 10, 2008, 03:59AM
when I used to go to the bar my friends couldn't get over how often I was approached...mostly because I was so completely disinterested, unlike most of the girls there for the meatmarket.
So go out, act like a cold-ass bitch and you'll probably land a nice guy. Know how they say all the good guys are either gay or taken? They feel the opposite - nice guys always finish last. Which means there should be a decent amount of good guys out there since the people hooking up are all dicks and bitches
It's hard to approach the nice ones like sadie though. I just sit, and I let Sadie-type come to me (when they feel like they're ready to talk.) Honest. That's my one and only strategy. i don't know how else to put it. i'm just not 18 anymore, i've waited to get to this point all my life.
re; hap 30+ suckers
I'm feeling pretty bad about myself right now. I am.
But really, i hate my conceited friends, because that's how shallow i've become. that seems like a load of crap, but a whole part of me wishes that over-ambitious types made a quiet revolution (much like myself) and realize that jumping ahead is being part of the rat race.
Becky totally helps ground hap.
Merk, do not kid yourself. . . your wife loved being hit on by that guy that night. it helps a womans confidence (even if she is married.)
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A pro-feminist candidate that's also pro-life is a false dichotomy judging from today's standards. So Palin decides to throw pro-abortionists under the bus to protect her political career, what else is new.
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Quote from: Mercules on September 05, 2008, 12:04PM
Stop feeling sorry for us and start doing something yourself...your country. Just one man's opinion.
What did you believe I was feeling sorry for exactly? I intended it as a figure of speech. I do all I can here, give me credit where credit is due, merk. That's not an invitation (just so you don't mistake me again.)
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And for the record, it truly doesn't matter who is the next US president elect. The ideologies are so formally skewed impartial to US voters, I actually feel sorry for them. I have a feeling that McCain is going to win strictly on merit alone, simply to spite Obama's "change" rhetoric. It's laughable. Simply laughable. Not much different in this country either.
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Quote from: Hap on September 05, 2008, 05:43AM
It's pretty clear. Palin is hardcore anti-abortion, and it contradicts her claim to respect her daughter's reproductive choice.
Well said, hap.
As I said earlier, people need to take a breather and watch reruns of Juno, praying that Ellen Paige is their secret daughter of rebirth.
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She takes a stand on critical issues if it's for her own political agenda or not. The Republican speech as Palin delievered it was comical to say the least. Watching a clad of iron fisted Republican's fall over themselves, and McCain's plastic surgical model wife standing/sitting/standing/sitting was so well orchestrated, that Palin's one-liner after one-liner after one-liner would have made Jerry Seinfeld proud. It was a serious farce to the bitter end, the speech writer really tried deseperately to make it a Palin home-run derby.
A show for the all encompasing alpha-feminist. I mean. . . come on people who would've thought. It really was about woman power. Nothing wrong with that.
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re; merk
On an international level what qualifications should a president have in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not resorting to punitive measures as a solution.
that the best i can do
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What I'm talking about is what redeems those values in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not dealing with problems as punitive solutions to remedy them.
^You see that last sentence. (Not a qualification.) It's a requirement.
Not a characterization, that's a qualification of the human condition. Now tell me how that should equate with politics, merk. Or does it not? The point being, are you willing to excuse that last sentence as it pertains to a presidency as a qualification?
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Well, then I must agree with merk. It's curious to me how we're talking about what characterizes something rather than more specifically what the requirements might fulfill those needs actually are.
In the political lanscape of affairs, I highly doubt, that qualifications or shall we say elite standards of thinking suit a mediocre kind of person.
What I'm talking about is what redeems those values in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not dealing with problems as punitive solutions to remedy them.
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Now - here's a question for merk.
Although my answer ^above is pragmatic, I would suggest it otherwise. Therefore, it seems completely valid to me to think of it as such.
If Merk were to be PMof Canada, what would he deem appropriate to qualify as this countries leader? I am seriously interested in that response. I've never before asked this to anyone, I responded to merks line of logic in kind, I would prefer the same respect.
Also, I will even verge on my own to display how the system relates back to Merk's view re; qualification.
In canada, we have a three party system, unlike the US. Liberals are left of center, Socialist Democratic Center, Conservatives on the right. The right reflect most Republican views, the Liberals are ambiguously Democratic (left). If you want a social partisan belief, it holds true of most White/Black demographic which makes up the socio-economic majority of Americans, however, the Hispanic influence on your culture are also in effect exploited as workers go so the Socialist Democratic model would be right for you.
And there you have it.
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Well, let's take what hap just said for instance. You see, it's nice and open. I would think in my opinon, that good, decent, honest individuality would certainly advocate as justified. Therefore, do you really think it is a matter of personal qualifications that someone be adversely related to such a position of high authority. I definitively feel it is the opposite of what virtue has to offer. Of course, hap could list all of the things I listed. . . however there is no way to judge according to what one sees is a responsible or reasonable course of achievment to become elected president.
Merk, please realize I stick to these views as my own. What I have a problem with is not what you asked but why you asked it. Therein lies the answer as to what I gave you.
What I was getting at is one of those rudimentary questions you face in interviews for that job (you probably don't really want) but are forcing youself to find an answer to. I think that makes sense, as per inducing the world we live in is not so much about the quality of life we provide to ourselves, but what human condition we are in.
Tell me what difference does it make - now that you've read this^ - why it matters to become the next president in terms of "qualifications" which were your words.
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Quote from: Mercules on August 30, 2008, 06:50AM
Hap,
Define what you think the qualifications are to become president.
What if I told you in the next 15min I am president of the most powerful nation on the face of god given planet earth. . . would that suffice?
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For the record this article:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/story/4218171p-4811374c.html
. . . belongs in this thread to futher substaitate my point of how post modern fascist thought is ruling the right wing freedom we call "democracies" in this world.
It deserves it's own thread as well.
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I've seen this argument before, it looks. . . very farmiliar. Oh wait, now I remember it. For the most part it's one part reminding me of the fact Jesus was not a jew. Then, after they crucify him, they say, "Wait, Jesus was a jew - but - we didn't mean to first enslave a priori sentenced to crucifixion." Just so everybody can see that Judaism's religious right weren't censoring anyone - not even the man people now regard as 'the christ child.'
The argument between eastern communism and westernization smacks of post modern fascism to say the least.
Bravo. Quite brilliant actually.
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General Category / General Discussion / Re: A marriage proposal on: August 26, 2008, 09:31AM
Quote from: Hap on August 26, 2008, 07:46AM
but... in the world of fake, loveless marriages, you could do worse.
ain't that the truth
Quote from: Hap on Today at 03:31 AM
Yeah Marco. And you'd better be kidding about "young stupid chicks."
For the record: you made a fake impersonation of batman. I know why you really mean as you intend it and I can apologize. But really, if you accept an apology for something that was totally not what was done, I get that.
If people mistunderstand me not only for what I write, it happens in person as well. . . I have no control over that. However, if people take offense to something they think I caused, again, such is life.
I am not a stupid indiviudal by any stretch of the imagination. I kid you not. I do not deserve any of this, but I am the type of person that lands on two feet, I won't fall over. Just saying, I will take more than a punch. My intentions are not at fault, and that is where you need to know I stood this whole time even if I feel misinterpreted. (And again - if I didn't like you, I wouldn't bother with this.) But I vouch with honor.
You see how that works? But I kid you not, I know the difference in what you/becky implied. By no means am I copping out to only to back peddle out of convenience sake.
I cannot make myself any clearer than this.
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Quote from: beaf on Today at 03:51 AM
careful hap
I am not stealing haps thunder here, because only intelligent people know how to administer themselves (yes - even over the internet some things are more prone than others.)
However, I wish I were an ape myself (by all means necessary I still am), because I'd still be smarter then most.
As for you beave you're either taking on Irish's role, or those insightful ewok friends of yours, but I guess scot is right there with you. Better to be an ape with brians than a hammer-hole with nothing to offer (which is the case.)
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By all indications, what I originally assumed was harmless has been inappropriately taken out of context. Put into what it really espouses, is that "young stupid chicks" want only to see how many guys that will hit on them over the internet. This clearly wasn't the case with goonie, which I emphatically wrote that Internet dating isn't stupid, the people are. I thought this was obvious, and to me, I also knew what goonie meant. Therefore, I was on her side the whole time. If that doesn't clear it up, I honestly don't know what else to say.
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Quote from: Sadie on September 10, 2008, 03:59AM
when I used to go to the bar my friends couldn't get over how often I was approached...mostly because I was so completely disinterested, unlike most of the girls there for the meatmarket.
So go out, act like a cold-ass bitch and you'll probably land a nice guy. Know how they say all the good guys are either gay or taken? They feel the opposite - nice guys always finish last. Which means there should be a decent amount of good guys out there since the people hooking up are all dicks and bitches
It's hard to approach the nice ones like sadie though. I just sit, and I let Sadie-type come to me (when they feel like they're ready to talk.) Honest. That's my one and only strategy. i don't know how else to put it. i'm just not 18 anymore, i've waited to get to this point all my life.
re; hap 30+ suckers
I'm feeling pretty bad about myself right now. I am.
But really, i hate my conceited friends, because that's how shallow i've become. that seems like a load of crap, but a whole part of me wishes that over-ambitious types made a quiet revolution (much like myself) and realize that jumping ahead is being part of the rat race.
Becky totally helps ground hap.
Merk, do not kid yourself. . . your wife loved being hit on by that guy that night. it helps a womans confidence (even if she is married.)
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A pro-feminist candidate that's also pro-life is a false dichotomy judging from today's standards. So Palin decides to throw pro-abortionists under the bus to protect her political career, what else is new.
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Quote from: Mercules on September 05, 2008, 12:04PM
Stop feeling sorry for us and start doing something yourself...your country. Just one man's opinion.
What did you believe I was feeling sorry for exactly? I intended it as a figure of speech. I do all I can here, give me credit where credit is due, merk. That's not an invitation (just so you don't mistake me again.)
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And for the record, it truly doesn't matter who is the next US president elect. The ideologies are so formally skewed impartial to US voters, I actually feel sorry for them. I have a feeling that McCain is going to win strictly on merit alone, simply to spite Obama's "change" rhetoric. It's laughable. Simply laughable. Not much different in this country either.
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Quote from: Hap on September 05, 2008, 05:43AM
It's pretty clear. Palin is hardcore anti-abortion, and it contradicts her claim to respect her daughter's reproductive choice.
Well said, hap.
As I said earlier, people need to take a breather and watch reruns of Juno, praying that Ellen Paige is their secret daughter of rebirth.
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She takes a stand on critical issues if it's for her own political agenda or not. The Republican speech as Palin delievered it was comical to say the least. Watching a clad of iron fisted Republican's fall over themselves, and McCain's plastic surgical model wife standing/sitting/standing/sitting was so well orchestrated, that Palin's one-liner after one-liner after one-liner would have made Jerry Seinfeld proud. It was a serious farce to the bitter end, the speech writer really tried deseperately to make it a Palin home-run derby.
A show for the all encompasing alpha-feminist. I mean. . . come on people who would've thought. It really was about woman power. Nothing wrong with that.
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re; merk
On an international level what qualifications should a president have in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not resorting to punitive measures as a solution.
that the best i can do
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What I'm talking about is what redeems those values in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not dealing with problems as punitive solutions to remedy them.
^You see that last sentence. (Not a qualification.) It's a requirement.
Not a characterization, that's a qualification of the human condition. Now tell me how that should equate with politics, merk. Or does it not? The point being, are you willing to excuse that last sentence as it pertains to a presidency as a qualification?
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Well, then I must agree with merk. It's curious to me how we're talking about what characterizes something rather than more specifically what the requirements might fulfill those needs actually are.
In the political lanscape of affairs, I highly doubt, that qualifications or shall we say elite standards of thinking suit a mediocre kind of person.
What I'm talking about is what redeems those values in facing adverse conditions, such as warfare, not dealing with problems as punitive solutions to remedy them.
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Now - here's a question for merk.
Although my answer ^above is pragmatic, I would suggest it otherwise. Therefore, it seems completely valid to me to think of it as such.
If Merk were to be PMof Canada, what would he deem appropriate to qualify as this countries leader? I am seriously interested in that response. I've never before asked this to anyone, I responded to merks line of logic in kind, I would prefer the same respect.
Also, I will even verge on my own to display how the system relates back to Merk's view re; qualification.
In canada, we have a three party system, unlike the US. Liberals are left of center, Socialist Democratic Center, Conservatives on the right. The right reflect most Republican views, the Liberals are ambiguously Democratic (left). If you want a social partisan belief, it holds true of most White/Black demographic which makes up the socio-economic majority of Americans, however, the Hispanic influence on your culture are also in effect exploited as workers go so the Socialist Democratic model would be right for you.
And there you have it.
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Well, let's take what hap just said for instance. You see, it's nice and open. I would think in my opinon, that good, decent, honest individuality would certainly advocate as justified. Therefore, do you really think it is a matter of personal qualifications that someone be adversely related to such a position of high authority. I definitively feel it is the opposite of what virtue has to offer. Of course, hap could list all of the things I listed. . . however there is no way to judge according to what one sees is a responsible or reasonable course of achievment to become elected president.
Merk, please realize I stick to these views as my own. What I have a problem with is not what you asked but why you asked it. Therein lies the answer as to what I gave you.
What I was getting at is one of those rudimentary questions you face in interviews for that job (you probably don't really want) but are forcing youself to find an answer to. I think that makes sense, as per inducing the world we live in is not so much about the quality of life we provide to ourselves, but what human condition we are in.
Tell me what difference does it make - now that you've read this^ - why it matters to become the next president in terms of "qualifications" which were your words.
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Quote from: Mercules on August 30, 2008, 06:50AM
Hap,
Define what you think the qualifications are to become president.
What if I told you in the next 15min I am president of the most powerful nation on the face of god given planet earth. . . would that suffice?
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For the record this article:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/story/4218171p-4811374c.html
. . . belongs in this thread to futher substaitate my point of how post modern fascist thought is ruling the right wing freedom we call "democracies" in this world.
It deserves it's own thread as well.
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I've seen this argument before, it looks. . . very farmiliar. Oh wait, now I remember it. For the most part it's one part reminding me of the fact Jesus was not a jew. Then, after they crucify him, they say, "Wait, Jesus was a jew - but - we didn't mean to first enslave a priori sentenced to crucifixion." Just so everybody can see that Judaism's religious right weren't censoring anyone - not even the man people now regard as 'the christ child.'
The argument between eastern communism and westernization smacks of post modern fascism to say the least.
Bravo. Quite brilliant actually.
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General Category / General Discussion / Re: A marriage proposal on: August 26, 2008, 09:31AM
Quote from: Hap on August 26, 2008, 07:46AM
but... in the world of fake, loveless marriages, you could do worse.
ain't that the truth
Sunday, September 07, 2008
invisible
Forum: CFL Talk Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM Subject: Banjo Bowl - Trash talk thread
Thryllin
Post subject:
Wow! Pigseye, that was the weakest crap I ever read.
Seriously though. During the Labour Day classic I
went around with a camera asking Bomber fans what
they thought of the game.
Almost everyone of them turned instantly vulgar
swearing and screaming and insulting my family.
It was embarrassing to allow those fools into
our city.
Those classless fans don't represent all Bomber
fans but I'd still rather be a Rider than a BlueBomber!!!
bigcanadiano Post subject: Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM
Maybe they were refering to that ugly mug^.
It'll be fun to watch milt break the record against
rider-jehovas.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Milt's new record should come today Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 12:41 PM
against the riders. With Reid + Smith leading the charge, this opens the flood gates. Time for an offense.
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Running over the rider-jehovas should be fun to watch.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: da bomba's vs. sask (game day thread) Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 02:52 AM
Fred Reid is our running back, with the talented Mr. Smith.
*throws a bone
I'd also like to congratulate Milt before breaking the record today.
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redstallion
Post subject: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:58 AM
This is taken off ourbomber.com fan site. It is Roberts talking about coach berry.
chuckdiesell1
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Thank You!
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I would like 2 personally take the time to thank each and everyone of you have supported the bluebomber orginization and myself over the years. that support has been greatly appreciated. I will miss winnipeg greatly as i have many friends on the team and in the community. When i came to winnipeg eight years ago i would have never imagined being there for so long but it has truly been a great experience. So again I say thank u!.
Now I am sure you all are intersted as to know what my feelings are on the whole trade thing. first of all I am sad 2 go but am excited about the oppurtunity of playing somewhere, where i think my hard work, determination, and love of football will be appreciated. the natural reaction for me would be to be enraged, and ordinarily I would have been considering what i have done for that orginization. I am not however because of the events leading up to the trade. brendan called me into his office aboutg eight o clock monday night and as i got to the stadium doug berry and i pulled into the stadium parking lot at the same time. Once he figured out it was me, he mysteriously pulled out of the parking lot and dissappeared. For a man to have publicly claimed that the reason for trading me is because i had lost a step how come he couldn't face? How come he ran off like a coward instead of facing me man to man and telling me what he felt. I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end. All i have to say 2 that is he got rid of me and he probably doesn't realize that he is next and they don't trade coaches. I will not publicly disrespect the team that i have loved for so many years like they did me but i just had 2 say that again i say thank u for ur support
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:59 AM
You think he could have shaken Charles hand and wish him good luck....wow!
RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:05 AM
At least Charles is going to a class team and organization. Welcome to BC, CHARLES!
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:11 AM
Good luck with that.^
touchdown69
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:14 AM
that coward coach is done in the cfl, throwing players under the bus, refusing to acknowledge accomplishments, tantrums on the sidelines, and cant even handle the heat and talk face-to-face, wow, this guy is a piece of work. Blink will get his 1000 yards rushing and will continue to be effective.
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RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:15 AM
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:18 AM
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Also, about what charles said. . . that's not to be judged. Roberts is larger than life that he purposely compared himself to Berry, and Roberts leads us to believe that this was the case with Berry (in the 'parking lot'.)
If you think about why Berry got to the stadium, it couldn't be to meet with Taman at the same time Roberts showed up. Otherwise, Berry would have expected to see Roberts there. Roberts has a history to take things to a level that they're not, and this is no different of Charles.
Roberts is talking trash, so he accused Berry of the same thing. . . and EXPECTS Berry to "shake my hand".
Give me a break.
(Oh, my gosh. . . I like just used my brain, it's located hidden somewhere between the skeletal structure.)
Seriously, if you guys love this tabloid stuff, keep it real and down to a football level. That's all I ask. Roberts could've chosen not to resort to trading insults. Point being if Berry gets fired, fine. But I still rather see Taman out the door with Bauer following. The play-offs is still within reach. Did Roberts say: I hope you guys make the play-offs. . . "I wish I could help you do it."
Now that wouldn't be classy, right?
Give me a break. BC aren't in last place either, right? Yet, HfxTC eats what Charles says up.
I'm sorry, but this stuff is getting to be too much. Let's get back to football, not this Joe Smith-is-a-smack-talking-gardner-buono-changing-diaper-maid.
Those posters on ourbombers need to buy themselves a clue.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
LionsLip
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:50 AM
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:09 AM
Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:12 AM
LionsLip wrote:
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=29016
go here^ and use your brain. (Need you be asked.)
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Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze.
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Sheep
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:39 AM
RoarLionsRoar wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
Any team can get 1 yard with three downs. That's easy.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:27 AM
We don't know what exactly occurred in the past two and half years, but up until recently, Berry has always had nothing but praise for Roberts on the field.
It would be cowardly for Berry to now criticize Roberts and not do anything about it (ie trade him or cut him).
imo, this move just shows that Berry has the balls to make the tough decisions.
Many fans thought this team was making a mistake by holding onto too many overly comfortable veterans, and they were right. Somebody has to clean up the mess and that's the coaches job.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:39 AM
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:15 AM
saskatoon1 wrote:
Quote:
Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
I consider myself reasonably intelligent. But I have no clue what the hell this means. Can someone please translate this for me? Is there really good weed in Manitoba that I don't know about because that is a possible explanation for what I just read.
Let's give me some credit here, (reading between the lines from where your from.)
All I meant was, "Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze."
It means in buono's fairy-tale land, joe smith had a knack playing football. So much so, (how's this for an explanation) Smith already knew what he had to do to run. In Buono's dimension, he is "the coach" and what he says goes, which is to say he was power tripping UNNECESSARILY so. (Smith, being the mild mannered football type player that he is.)
If you need that spelled out for you even more, better sit this one out sport.
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BigU wrote:
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
Well said man, well said. For anyone that knows anything about football, Roberts was done.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:57 AM
Really? You don't think he has a case that he has done more for this team than any other player over the past few years? Who's been the rock of this offense? Who's rushed for over 1000 yards year in and year out? How do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards in a game? When Khari Jones was on the decline and they were trying everyone from Kevin Glenn to Tee Martin at the QB position, who was the guy carrying the mail on what was left of the offense?
Honest to God, the sheep mentality of standing behind the coach no matter what is mind-boggling. Coaches are human beings, folks. They can make mistakes great and small just like everyone else. In case you haven't noticed, most running backs DO have an attitude. It's part of the job. They're like goalies in hockey. Running backs play the most punishing position in football but have an average career of 4-5 years. No kidding they're a little high on themselves, paranoid, and mistrustful.
Roberts is dead on. He's being made the scapegoat, but the entire Bombers team is dysfunctional.
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BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:04 PM
disciplineandpunish > no one questioned Roberts's abilities or what he brought to the team. But to say he carried the team last year when you look at how fantastic the passing game was is an insult to Glenn and the receivers.
The fact is, he consistently joked about not taking care of himself and not working all that hard at staying in shape simply because he didn't need to. Now to say he worked harder than anyone else on the team is simply an insult to the rest of the team.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:11 PM
The Bombers had exactly one-half of a season of a great passing game. Compare that with what Roberts has done for this team for, what, 6-7 years? Please. And again, I ask you: how do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards or more? Not very well, passing game or no passing game.
At a position where the average career is 4 years on the outside, Charles Roberts has been a star in this league for far longer, Mr. Consistency year in and year out. He's done more for this team than other active Bomber except Milt Stegall. You can twist things all you want, and throw Roberts under the bus all you want, but you can't change the facts.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:00 PM
stamphater wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Hmm yeah okay!
So I suppose just cutting Joe Smith instead of trying to make a trade would have been a fantastic move by Wally. But honestly how can you say we took something that doesn't belong to us. It was your team that offered him up. Not Wally threatening or holding Taman up.
Don't waste my time with that bs. The circumstances surrounding the trade are one too many to list, the real reason is Taman AND not because we were in spite of what roberts was doing irregardless of his lack of performance.
I don't give Buono credit for a bonehead move on tamans part.
Stay clear of this unless you have something of substance to add.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:58 PM
The fact is, Roberts played great. I would say he may even be the best back Winnipeg has ever had. Doesn't change the fact that it was ignorant and egotistically self-centered on his part to say he played the hardest of any players since Berry was here. That is a slap in the face to all the other players.
Now, pay close attention disciplineandpunish. I am not saying Roberts wasn't a key part of the team. I am not blaming him for the losing. And I am not throwing him under the bus. I am simply saying that if the comments made were indeed his, they show a lousy attitude towards his team.
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disciplineandpunish
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:24 PM
No, it's not a slap in the face. You know what IS a slap in the face? Trading away the man who carried the mail for your offense the past 7 seasons because of half a season's dip in productivity that had as much to do with O-line injuries and poor playcalling as it did with Roberts arguably having lost half a step. A half season's dip and you jettison the guy who ran his heart out for you for 7 years. THAT is a slap in the face.
Running backs have the most punishing job in the league, the one with the shortest career span and the least job security. As a group, they are generally oddballs. Roberts had every right to be upset at this trade. And I don't see you getting on Doug Brown for agreeing with Berry that Roberts wasn't the same player. Who's rating Doug Brown's performance this season? Tom Canada? Roberts became the scapegoat because Joe Smith was on the trade market. No other reason.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
One thing about Footbal. While its a cruel,cruel game it also is extremely fair. Roberts has the opportunity to
1- Make an idiot out of Berry is he shows he still has game especialy if Smith is average.
2- Gets the opportunity to knock out his old team from a playoff spot.
Berry has forced two Franchise player off the team already. He's basicaly put himself right in the headlight of that trainwreck he partly created. His team has less home games left then any other team and is 0-4 on the road this year with some very tough match ups left for the second half. I predict at best a 6-12 season and the team "repositioning" him within the organisation during the off seas (secretly hoping his ego motivates him to walk.
As far as Roberts post. All it means to me is he wrote that he played as hard or harder meaning he should have been treated as well as anyone else on the team not made a scapegoat. To try and make that a sshot at his ex-teammates is laughable.
This will sort itself out.
BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
When a player like Charles Roberts, who took pride in working very little in the offseason, says he works harder than anyone else on the team, it IS a slap in the face to the other players.
I don't blame him for being upset with the trade. Try to note I didn't say anything about any of his other comments. The only one that spoke volumes about his attitude was the one regarding the other players.
And as much as you hate this idea, football is a business and ugly things happen in business. Ask Crandell in Regina who got moved out because he was ineffective while working without his top three receivers. Why did it happen? Because at this time, in these circumstances, Bishop is a better solution. Maybe the same can be said for the Joe Smith for Charles Roberts deal. No slight against Charles, just a simple case of a better solution given the current circumstances.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:53 AM
While I don't like the trade. I have no problem with it. Taman went and got what his coach asked for. As a coach don't diminish the man's aura to his fans. Don't devalue him by stating he's lost his game and then the next day reverse everything you said about the man. (Did the same in the Westwood situation).
Even TSN who is a very conservative media outlet pointed his inexplicably incompatible comments.
Berry is very, very scared right now...and probably praying Smith is the next Roberts.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 02:32 AM
Yeah, Roberts never said he was better than the rest of his team. He said he worked as hard or harder than anyone on the team. Meaning, basically, nobody on the team worked harder than me. And once again, if you look at his production over the past 7 years, it's hard to argue with the statement.
Berry, on the other hand, has completely lost my respect. Swinging this way and that, blowing hot one week and cold another, throwing players in and out of the doghouse more times than you can shake a stick at, yelling at his players on the sidelines ... if you want to talk about lack of class, let's talk about Doug Berry and his behavior this year.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:05 AM
Re; doubleblue
In reply to Leo Lewis, there is no question. . . I'd take Leo Lewis on my team x1000 before any other player in that category.
re; bigdave
I hope that my style of writing offends no ones comprehension for english.
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stamphater
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 09:52 AM
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 12:24 PM
HfxTC wrote:
Who's We LOL!
You should know. I was referring to BigU. We're not the kind of fans that fear intimidation, that's not what Bomber football is about.
stamphater wrote:
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
??wha. My post above^ helps clarify where I stand - or I would hope.
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You know. . . I give up. I don't deserve this; for whatever the reason.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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This picking up cans thing or gardening habit is truly moronic. If Smith wets the bed, it's indicative of the Bombers managment at this point. If Smith does well, we make the play-offs then all is well.
Otherwise, we have Fred Reid ready, and I like the guy.
gangtackle wrote:
How freakin' hard up for negative news are you people? Give your collective heads a shake. Joe Smith likes to garden and spend time with his wife. He recycles bottles and watches his nickels and dimes. Ooooh.. what a loser! My God, you run a man down for these rinky-dink offences? And in this day and age of gangsta yahoos in pro sports.
To me, Joe Smith actually sounds like someone I'd be proud and happy to have as a neighbour. His biggest "crime" against humanity? He doesn't spend his every waking moment and ounce of energy thinking about his job when he's off work. Remind you of anybody you know? Yes it does ... it reminds you of just about everyone you know.
Headcase is what he's been called. Headcase?? I think the only headcases are the people on this forum who refuse to accept that the players under those helmets are actually real, live, breathing human beings ... not just football-bots.
You guys disgust me at times ... you really do.
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I'm sorry, I just have to say that I loved your post, and I'm officially taking back the thunder to you my friend. That was awesome to read. Made my day. People in life give themselves far too much credit; more than they are deserving of. Total morale booster if I've ever seen one myself. I must say this.
As for Gardner Joe. I love it that he told Wally to stick to laying bricks, rather than enact as a football coach. I don't care for Buono's cholesterol commercials, (as we've all learned that appearances can be deceiving.)
I can assure you that Smith will enjoy an active lifestyle in Winnipeg if gardening is his thing he loves. We'll welcome his with open arms. I know what Vancouver is about, though people are not near as conceited about life where I come from. So, you get the idea. I can tell you one last thing though, Charles should never have left Winnipeg.
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You can have Smith and his oddities. He'll be hard pressed to find as nice gardening, scenery or shopping malls in Winnipeg as he did in Vancouver though.
Good luck Joe. I hear phone plans are cheaper in Manitoba.
I heard something related to that. Winnipeg is a great place, I think.
P.S. Can someone please send me a list of shopping malls in Vancouver. Much appreciated.
housedog
Post subject: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 09:29 PM
The proposal to build a CFL stadium in Quebec city has been rejected by the federal Gov't according to statements on The TSN site. Federal Minister Lawrence Canon stated the Federal Gov't will not be funding CFL stadiums. He further stated I've said no to Winnipeg. I'm not going to fund footbal stadiums. This news should once and for all, put to rest the Asper proposal, which appears dead. Unless Asper is willing to pay the whole shot to build a new stadium the proposal is dead. The subject of ownership should now revert back to community ownership.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 01:37 AM
Good point housedog, at 2-7 the team can be a focal point to rally around now without distraction. Playoffs are in order.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Time To Move Forward Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 04:34 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
I love Fred Reid. Super happy that this man gets his turn.
He's a younger, faster version of Roberts and now they have the luxury of a power back too boot in Smith.
Now they just need to get the passing game going.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:16 PM
Amidst all of the chaos in this tantamount decision to annul Roberts as a long time bomber:
1) do not confuse the fans as a pigeon hole for tamans miscarriage of justice. (i.e. trading roberts)
2) as a fan I do not blame taman for lack of a motive (e.g. crappy running game) to make this trade.
3) Even though we - mostly I - am critical of this organizations managment situation, more specifically involving the private ownership collusion.
In all honesty, watching this season become what it has, viewing the complacency on ourbombers, especially toward a futile effort on the field it is sad to see Charles take the fall so close to 10,000.
I would've stuck by Roberts, even though I wish we never traded him, I cannot say I support the decision to sell out roberts for lack of a better backfield. However, this is not my vision as I am consciously aware it is that of Taman.
We sold out Roberts in spite of Taman's trade. It is embarassing.
That is the truth. ^
Somebody had to say it, so here.
Post subject: RE: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:32 P
^ I'm not going to make another thread, so about this next topic re: milt. I am not going to accept you being traded. No way - no how. Life without roberts is enough for one fan. Thanks for toughing it out this season, we're not that bad, but roberts should still be a bomber.
housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 06:36 PM
Bigco you could not have said it better. Some will think Taman as a hero. In reality he should be flushed down the toilet.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:56 PM
I respect the fact (which I am speaking to you of course) in this case, when somebody reads something. You take it for what it is.
There'll be some that deliberately foil the context, so without turning the other cheek that'll outright refuse it. It's see no evil hear no evil. Rather than face the denial, they fake their understanding of it. (i.e. ourbombers)
Now that we hear about Smith, his gardening, his garbage picking, his lack of conceit that vancouver brainwashes everyone for. . . it does not speak for the football country Winnipeg undoubtedly is. BC does not even compare a sniff of what Roberts leaves behind here. That is what people are complaining about, when they should be focused on how poorly managed this team is resulted in trading a Bomber great.
Smith is a great back to be certain.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: att; zoo + pigseye Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:46 AM
Now that roberts has been traded, are you both still somewhat on opposite sides of the managment issue or are you more apathetic toward them?
I saw Khari's demise as a debacle of sorts, fortunately we had Glenn to bail us out of that one (and managment).
But, what does this trade do for you as a Bomber fan? Just curious to see your response.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:18 AM
I'm actually somewhat "excited" about the trade for a couple reasons.
First, being that Berry has wanted a power back from day one for this offense. Berry has a long history of running successful offenses and now we will see if this is what the Bomber offense has needed.
Secondly, Taman is letting Berry fix the "problems". I'm much more comfortable with this than Taman calling the shots. Taman's record shows that he holds onto veterans too long out of loyalty. I think Berry is objective enough to make the tough decisions based upon performance only.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:20 AM
In Regina last week, Roberts wasn't even participating in the huddles, he'd line up in the backfield without doing up his chin strap. Basically telling Sask.'s defense he wasn't getting the ball.
papazoola
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:22 PM
.....i don't like the term apathetic.... cautious and curious more like....I've liked Joe Smith when he first started for the leos....How he works out for the Bombers is another question...IF he lights it up on Sunday and continues to be a success in the Peg....great...Taman has much to answer for if everything goes sideways from now till the end of the year...and Berry will be questioned as to why his type offence isn't working with a back of Smiths calibre...We'll see soon enough and the opinions will be coming fast and furious by then...
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:01 AM
Thanks you fellas. Good job.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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It is little wonder how people feel about Roberts in wpg, that is where this great discussion only begins to tip the iceberg. I'd say tophat does an admirable job in keeping it as close to football sense, pigseye knows the score as well.
My heart says, I'll be surprised to see how "properly" Buono's plans are with Roberts. Buono tells me something about indifference causes his own players to rebel. Therefore, HfxTC makes some decent points. However, it's not all about the coaching as he adamently places the entire context of his argument on it as strictly as he does.
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Wally usually just cuts people, or gives them away for a draft pick. If we can get any use at all out of Roberts we come out ahead imo.
^This tells me nothing. You can get 10 yards on Roberts first carry, do you win the trade?
footballmad wrote:
ya and a crappy new opffensive system taking away from the skilled back he is didn;t help that. ya do us all a favour and pull your head out of your a$$
I have to agree with you here. The Bomber's should have used Roberts more effectively. Our OL are plain shriners with helmets on. Sheridan went awol; it was for that reason.
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Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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I'm just saying Roberts won't be the same player that raises your expectation in BC as we was in Winnipeg. Point being, he might be known well as blink in the peg' but more 'blank' in BC.
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We welcome posters with truly objective analysis. However, I disagree with the fact our team has turned itself over. When a trade of this kind takes place, the entire team takes a full circle so to speak. Our running game was not even a spot on the radar as far as warning signs go. Contact Smith if you think we'll be a threat or not. No one knows yet.
Has Roberts lost a step is irrelevant. The reality is that Roberts won't be the same running back as he was when with da bomba's.
To each his own opinion I say. I communicate the truth only, because I care to.
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While the ultimate fanboy network on www. (which shall remain nameless) reckons how to spell r-o-b-e-r-t-s name in a bowl of alphaghettis. . . maybe in BC those insightful fantards enjoy lovely tender-vittles they feed off of Buono's backside.
The running game is back in Winnipeg, and that's all that counts.
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I just posted this and I thought it would be fitting here as well. . .
Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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Prowler wrote:
Think about it...the BC Lions got Charles freaking Roberts! WOW!!!
Hey, that's cool. We hope that you like Roberts as much as we did I'm sure. Just saying.
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Right, I was only posing in this forum with some information worth denoting. All is not well in the organization, within that the entire team in Wpg are well aware that Roberts played himself off the team. It's no secret how bad things were with Roberts here. That's my point.
EXCUSE ME FOR LIVING.
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Again I do agree with HfxTC. However, I still believe roberts played himself off the team because that's exactly what he wanted. As for the fans, if Roberts had an attitude that really wanted to get to 10,000 yards, DON'T YOU THINK HE'D STAY MOTIVATED. I challenge any one of you to deny that or I accuse you of all being liars. BUT THINK ABOUT IT FIRST. Remember, we're not confusing ourselves with hating Roberts. I believe that Roberts had he wanted to stay would have done so with everything in his power.
This follows my simple conclusion that even 10,000 yards as a Bomber, in spite of that milestone, Roberts didn't want it badly enough to survive for the fans! Now he's a Lion. . .
1) I don't respect that one bit.
2) Ask me if I should care if you agree with it but that's the truth of the matter.
Heart has a place in this game, Milt has it, and he came back to deliver the goods.
If you ask milt if he's disappointed about WHAT ROBERTS DID for this TO HAPPEN. . . I'll bet my RRSP collection on it. I kid you not.
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I'm just more curious to see what Roberts displays dealing with someone such as team we-are-all-albino-robots.
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Personally, Wpg want Smith to see what he can do in b&g. We have Fred Reid, which seems to me he'll get his shot. This trade needed to happen. Defenses across the CFL were shutting down our running game, while our OL was shutting us out completely. Smith is going to add something we've needed all year.
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I was going to post this in the Lions forum, but they seem to be a bunch of over-zealous hippies next to their cousins from Regina. That being said: it's a tougher hill to climb when dealing with Buono. Everyone in Winnipeg will say BC won this deal.
Based on false misrepresentation, I would say Roberts asked to be traded (-) only because he played himself off the team. It was a mutual accord between Berry and Roberts all the way through. Berry refused to put Roberts in the doghouse, but Charlie played nice even though the chances are resisted Berry's wishes on the offense.
I'm sure we can all agree on that.
A lot of fans are going to think:
(1) should Berry had utilized Roberts properly?
(2) Do you blame Roberts for his diminshing skills.
Point being raised is simple. Do you think Buono is going to use Charles the way we didn't, will equal success for Roberts, or is Roberts prime over?
That in itself^ will measure this trade.
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The problem is more to do with each player understanding their role on the team, Matt Sheridan, now Charles Roberts have been pushed over (For lack of a better term.) That's not to mention our qb situation getting any better, or how receivers are getting open.
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hammerbutt wrote:
Completely pointless move. This should have been the point where Bauer steps in and fires Taman and Berry. Roberts stayed in Regina instead of coming back with the team so my guess is he told Berry to go
f%ck himself after Berry once again decided to blame Blink to save his own job. I wonder what excuse they will make next week when Smith gets 42 yards against Sask
Well, look at what we have here. . . hammerbut^. Collusion only gets one so far, but how the mighty have fallen on hard pressed times eh.
If you want to talk some real football about this trade, I invite you to go elsewhere.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=28899
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On a side note: ourbomber's with all due respect is a ton of larfs right now. I can play the informant all I want to, simply because, I can't think of a time this so called 'trade' was supposed to happen. If wally thinks Smith is washed up, he hasn't asked Roberts that question either. Things are more clearer now than they were in the past 24 hours before Roberts became a Lion.
Wally Buono is not about collusion within a system he operates his team under. Winnipeg on the other hand is a ceiling waiting to cave in, Roberts got out before it gave in under him.
I swear it's like a living union of steel workers that can't build a bridge if their lives depended on it, yet no one wants to say anything about. Total brutal hypocrisy, no matter how gun shot Taman is. A brainless deal, for a brain dead team in trumoil without BoD's firing an inept president. The wrong people, the right totem pole. . . I'm telling you. Just a joke all around gay parading farce.
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Leave it to Brendan Taman, (Doug Berry) has full knowledge the teams offense is in desperate need of rectifying the running game. That same head coach, reveals on his radio 'coaches show' that Charles Roberts is not the same running back he was 3 years ago. Something has to give. Does it sound to be a horror film, pretty close I guess.
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And if you watch the plays they are running closely, you will see they have little or chance of succeeding. There is no misdirection, no clearing out of areas for receivers on crossing routes. It is probably the worst run offense I have seen in my 30 years as a fan.
I have seen better run offenses at the CIS level with a fraction of the talent.
This quote is from pigseye^. It's a wide eye opener.
1) Does our OL seem to take the fall for this, if so, Roberts was really done.
2) Fred Reid. Good or bad.
3) Taman makes a move that shook the earth, (wpg at least) which will not be popular with fans. Just because Roberts writing was on the wall, does it make this any better - it might not.
4) This has nothing to do with change. There is no reason to watch 10,000 yards anymore if it meant a shoddy running game. More supply and demand which the Bombers lack, a move clearly needed to be done.
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Yes.
Walks plank.*
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Well, so much for all this collusion talk eh fellas? Unreal. Simply unreal.
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housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 03:27 PM
blue&gold4ever wrote:
Housedog, your just another blind fan who thinks that Canadinns Stadium is fine and as for 27,000 fans not complaining about the washrooms and legroom, your dead wrong, if you polled the 27,000 fans, i guarantee at least half if not more would say our stadium is outdated and totally disgusting.
You cannot tell me there is nothing wrong with the washrooms, consessions, legroom and the list goes on. If your happy with a dump for a stadium so be it, i sure as heck hate Canadinns Stadium, downright ugly, dirty, disgusting and quite frankly embarressing. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, but honestly, how can you sit there and say 27,000 fans are happy? That is just a bad argument.
27,000 fans are not influenced by washrooms or leg room as you would suggest. I never have a problem buying a beer or a keychain. As for the washrooms. I really don't know what you can do to improve this. With the volume of fans going to the washrooms at half time you still are in need of the hated P-ss trough. Unless you have some cleaning personel standing there cleaning urinals and troughs it still is going to stink. What do you want ?? If it bothers you that much then don't go. 27,000 fans are not happy with the current team and management, which should be a priority for change. Regina, Hamilton, Montreal all have older facilities and are in process of fixing their facilities. Your argument for a new stadium does not wash.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 07:07 PM
When it rains it pours.
When you look at how success is measured in Mtl, it's hard not to notice the windfall. In our case there is no tradeoff with the floudering in this mess of an organization.
If plinko chips are Aspers game as I suspect they are, it does not equate with sound managing in any case.
That being said, this BoD's sure have no excuses when happening on the field. I guess this is rather redundant to say so.
In other words what pigseye cares to illustrate re; Aspser, is about a man who sits on the couch somewhere in his Tuxedo home. He's watching the Price is Right, in an imaginary episode while yelling with Bob Barker, because the plinko chip isn't going where it's supposed to.
Actually, that has Asper written all over it, along with managment, the coaching staff can't even get the wheel spinning.
*Another plinko chip falls.
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Yes - yes absolutely my friend. All is not fine.
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Glenn wasn't great today, but IMO he is not in a position where he can succeed
About the only post in this entire thread that actually has a clue, and he isn't even a Bomber fan.
The offense has absolutely no identity. Two weeks ago against Hamilton, they were a power running team, smashing the ball with tight ends and Haywood at full back and going deep with the pass. Today they were back to a bunch of pansies, who got their azzes handed to then physically by the Rider defense.
You would think the entire offense went with a game plan wouldn't particularly show a defense what they've already done this season. The problem has been on execution all season. Therefore, without consistency on offense, no guts, no glory. Cliche as it sounds, it's not really.
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You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
housedog
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 01:12 AM
Bauer and Taman have incubated a bunch of ROTTEN EGGS!!!!!
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 10:06 AM
lol, on that we can agree, a few rotten eggs in the basket to be sure. But I suspect now that the NFL cuts have occurred, some of those rotten eggs will be tossed out. If not, them that is even more of a reason to clean house at the management level.
TrueBlue2008
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 02:36 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
That's probably the most succinct description of the Bombers I've ever read, especially when you go think back to the Khari years.
Thryllin
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Wow! Pigseye, that was the weakest crap I ever read.
Seriously though. During the Labour Day classic I
went around with a camera asking Bomber fans what
they thought of the game.
Almost everyone of them turned instantly vulgar
swearing and screaming and insulting my family.
It was embarrassing to allow those fools into
our city.
Those classless fans don't represent all Bomber
fans but I'd still rather be a Rider than a BlueBomber!!!
bigcanadiano Post subject: Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM
Maybe they were refering to that ugly mug^.
It'll be fun to watch milt break the record against
rider-jehovas.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Milt's new record should come today Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 12:41 PM
against the riders. With Reid + Smith leading the charge, this opens the flood gates. Time for an offense.
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Running over the rider-jehovas should be fun to watch.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: da bomba's vs. sask (game day thread) Posted: Sep 07, 2008 - 02:52 AM
Fred Reid is our running back, with the talented Mr. Smith.
*throws a bone
I'd also like to congratulate Milt before breaking the record today.
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redstallion
Post subject: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:58 AM
This is taken off ourbomber.com fan site. It is Roberts talking about coach berry.
chuckdiesell1
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Thank You!
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I would like 2 personally take the time to thank each and everyone of you have supported the bluebomber orginization and myself over the years. that support has been greatly appreciated. I will miss winnipeg greatly as i have many friends on the team and in the community. When i came to winnipeg eight years ago i would have never imagined being there for so long but it has truly been a great experience. So again I say thank u!.
Now I am sure you all are intersted as to know what my feelings are on the whole trade thing. first of all I am sad 2 go but am excited about the oppurtunity of playing somewhere, where i think my hard work, determination, and love of football will be appreciated. the natural reaction for me would be to be enraged, and ordinarily I would have been considering what i have done for that orginization. I am not however because of the events leading up to the trade. brendan called me into his office aboutg eight o clock monday night and as i got to the stadium doug berry and i pulled into the stadium parking lot at the same time. Once he figured out it was me, he mysteriously pulled out of the parking lot and dissappeared. For a man to have publicly claimed that the reason for trading me is because i had lost a step how come he couldn't face? How come he ran off like a coward instead of facing me man to man and telling me what he felt. I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end. All i have to say 2 that is he got rid of me and he probably doesn't realize that he is next and they don't trade coaches. I will not publicly disrespect the team that i have loved for so many years like they did me but i just had 2 say that again i say thank u for ur support
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:59 AM
You think he could have shaken Charles hand and wish him good luck....wow!
RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:05 AM
At least Charles is going to a class team and organization. Welcome to BC, CHARLES!
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:11 AM
Good luck with that.^
touchdown69
Post subject: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:14 AM
that coward coach is done in the cfl, throwing players under the bus, refusing to acknowledge accomplishments, tantrums on the sidelines, and cant even handle the heat and talk face-to-face, wow, this guy is a piece of work. Blink will get his 1000 yards rushing and will continue to be effective.
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RoarLionsRoar
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:15 AM
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:18 AM
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Also, about what charles said. . . that's not to be judged. Roberts is larger than life that he purposely compared himself to Berry, and Roberts leads us to believe that this was the case with Berry (in the 'parking lot'.)
If you think about why Berry got to the stadium, it couldn't be to meet with Taman at the same time Roberts showed up. Otherwise, Berry would have expected to see Roberts there. Roberts has a history to take things to a level that they're not, and this is no different of Charles.
Roberts is talking trash, so he accused Berry of the same thing. . . and EXPECTS Berry to "shake my hand".
Give me a break.
(Oh, my gosh. . . I like just used my brain, it's located hidden somewhere between the skeletal structure.)
Seriously, if you guys love this tabloid stuff, keep it real and down to a football level. That's all I ask. Roberts could've chosen not to resort to trading insults. Point being if Berry gets fired, fine. But I still rather see Taman out the door with Bauer following. The play-offs is still within reach. Did Roberts say: I hope you guys make the play-offs. . . "I wish I could help you do it."
Now that wouldn't be classy, right?
Give me a break. BC aren't in last place either, right? Yet, HfxTC eats what Charles says up.
I'm sorry, but this stuff is getting to be too much. Let's get back to football, not this Joe Smith-is-a-smack-talking-gardner-buono-changing-diaper-maid.
Those posters on ourbombers need to buy themselves a clue.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
LionsLip
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:50 AM
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:09 AM
Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:12 AM
LionsLip wrote:
What do you mean, doesn't belong to you? Apparently your management did not want him and/or he wanted to leave. Fair game the way I see it. Hope you enjoy Mr. Smith as much as we will enjoy Mr. Roberts!
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=29016
go here^ and use your brain. (Need you be asked.)
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Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze.
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Sheep
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:39 AM
RoarLionsRoar wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
Good luck with that.^
Can't be any worse than a player in jeans who would rather garden or shop than be with his team on the sidelines. When Roberts gains 1 yard in BC, that's 1 more yard that Joe Smith would have gained the rest of his season with his ass parked on the bench.
Any team can get 1 yard with three downs. That's easy.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:27 AM
We don't know what exactly occurred in the past two and half years, but up until recently, Berry has always had nothing but praise for Roberts on the field.
It would be cowardly for Berry to now criticize Roberts and not do anything about it (ie trade him or cut him).
imo, this move just shows that Berry has the balls to make the tough decisions.
Many fans thought this team was making a mistake by holding onto too many overly comfortable veterans, and they were right. Somebody has to clean up the mess and that's the coaches job.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:39 AM
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:15 AM
saskatoon1 wrote:
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Hmmm. Yeah. We wanted to trade Roberts. That's exactly right.
Kind to think of it, so much of the Lion fans have brainwashed into Buono-speak, they've become albino themselves. But as for Mr. Smith is concerned, Buono outcasts the guy. But, when Smith is listening the gardener is the CFL's leading rusher. I wonder why Buono trampled on Smith's garden for? Hmmm. That's fresh.
Yup.
I consider myself reasonably intelligent. But I have no clue what the hell this means. Can someone please translate this for me? Is there really good weed in Manitoba that I don't know about because that is a possible explanation for what I just read.
Let's give me some credit here, (reading between the lines from where your from.)
All I meant was, "Let's face it, even poor wally gets a tad bit pouty sometimes. The fans in Winnipeg will embrace joltin joe; just don't forget about good old Buono. They're fans l-o-v-e him. pfft. pleaze."
It means in buono's fairy-tale land, joe smith had a knack playing football. So much so, (how's this for an explanation) Smith already knew what he had to do to run. In Buono's dimension, he is "the coach" and what he says goes, which is to say he was power tripping UNNECESSARILY so. (Smith, being the mild mannered football type player that he is.)
If you need that spelled out for you even more, better sit this one out sport.
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BigU wrote:
redstallion wrote:
I played as hard or harder for him than anyone on that team in his years there and that is how he treated me in the end.
This part of the quote says all I need to know. If this is indeed Charles Roberts, he just showed that he thinks he is above and beyond all the other players on the team. And that from a guy who bragged at times about how he did very little in the off-season to stay in shape. If I'm the other Bombers, I'm offended.
Well said man, well said. For anyone that knows anything about football, Roberts was done.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:57 AM
Really? You don't think he has a case that he has done more for this team than any other player over the past few years? Who's been the rock of this offense? Who's rushed for over 1000 yards year in and year out? How do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards in a game? When Khari Jones was on the decline and they were trying everyone from Kevin Glenn to Tee Martin at the QB position, who was the guy carrying the mail on what was left of the offense?
Honest to God, the sheep mentality of standing behind the coach no matter what is mind-boggling. Coaches are human beings, folks. They can make mistakes great and small just like everyone else. In case you haven't noticed, most running backs DO have an attitude. It's part of the job. They're like goalies in hockey. Running backs play the most punishing position in football but have an average career of 4-5 years. No kidding they're a little high on themselves, paranoid, and mistrustful.
Roberts is dead on. He's being made the scapegoat, but the entire Bombers team is dysfunctional.
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BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:04 PM
disciplineandpunish > no one questioned Roberts's abilities or what he brought to the team. But to say he carried the team last year when you look at how fantastic the passing game was is an insult to Glenn and the receivers.
The fact is, he consistently joked about not taking care of himself and not working all that hard at staying in shape simply because he didn't need to. Now to say he worked harder than anyone else on the team is simply an insult to the rest of the team.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:11 PM
The Bombers had exactly one-half of a season of a great passing game. Compare that with what Roberts has done for this team for, what, 6-7 years? Please. And again, I ask you: how do the Bombers fare when Roberts doesn't rush for 100 yards or more? Not very well, passing game or no passing game.
At a position where the average career is 4 years on the outside, Charles Roberts has been a star in this league for far longer, Mr. Consistency year in and year out. He's done more for this team than other active Bomber except Milt Stegall. You can twist things all you want, and throw Roberts under the bus all you want, but you can't change the facts.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:00 PM
stamphater wrote:
bigcanadiano wrote:
That's fair logic I suppose. I don't blame you for it. In fact, I don't blame Joe Smith for it either. I still think you guys took something that doesn't truly belong to you. Either you think so as well, or we're just agreeing to disagree.
Hmm yeah okay!
So I suppose just cutting Joe Smith instead of trying to make a trade would have been a fantastic move by Wally. But honestly how can you say we took something that doesn't belong to us. It was your team that offered him up. Not Wally threatening or holding Taman up.
Don't waste my time with that bs. The circumstances surrounding the trade are one too many to list, the real reason is Taman AND not because we were in spite of what roberts was doing irregardless of his lack of performance.
I don't give Buono credit for a bonehead move on tamans part.
Stay clear of this unless you have something of substance to add.
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BigU
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 09:58 PM
The fact is, Roberts played great. I would say he may even be the best back Winnipeg has ever had. Doesn't change the fact that it was ignorant and egotistically self-centered on his part to say he played the hardest of any players since Berry was here. That is a slap in the face to all the other players.
Now, pay close attention disciplineandpunish. I am not saying Roberts wasn't a key part of the team. I am not blaming him for the losing. And I am not throwing him under the bus. I am simply saying that if the comments made were indeed his, they show a lousy attitude towards his team.
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disciplineandpunish
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:24 PM
No, it's not a slap in the face. You know what IS a slap in the face? Trading away the man who carried the mail for your offense the past 7 seasons because of half a season's dip in productivity that had as much to do with O-line injuries and poor playcalling as it did with Roberts arguably having lost half a step. A half season's dip and you jettison the guy who ran his heart out for you for 7 years. THAT is a slap in the face.
Running backs have the most punishing job in the league, the one with the shortest career span and the least job security. As a group, they are generally oddballs. Roberts had every right to be upset at this trade. And I don't see you getting on Doug Brown for agreeing with Berry that Roberts wasn't the same player. Who's rating Doug Brown's performance this season? Tom Canada? Roberts became the scapegoat because Joe Smith was on the trade market. No other reason.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
One thing about Footbal. While its a cruel,cruel game it also is extremely fair. Roberts has the opportunity to
1- Make an idiot out of Berry is he shows he still has game especialy if Smith is average.
2- Gets the opportunity to knock out his old team from a playoff spot.
Berry has forced two Franchise player off the team already. He's basicaly put himself right in the headlight of that trainwreck he partly created. His team has less home games left then any other team and is 0-4 on the road this year with some very tough match ups left for the second half. I predict at best a 6-12 season and the team "repositioning" him within the organisation during the off seas (secretly hoping his ego motivates him to walk.
As far as Roberts post. All it means to me is he wrote that he played as hard or harder meaning he should have been treated as well as anyone else on the team not made a scapegoat. To try and make that a sshot at his ex-teammates is laughable.
This will sort itself out.
BigU
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:46 AM
When a player like Charles Roberts, who took pride in working very little in the offseason, says he works harder than anyone else on the team, it IS a slap in the face to the other players.
I don't blame him for being upset with the trade. Try to note I didn't say anything about any of his other comments. The only one that spoke volumes about his attitude was the one regarding the other players.
And as much as you hate this idea, football is a business and ugly things happen in business. Ask Crandell in Regina who got moved out because he was ineffective while working without his top three receivers. Why did it happen? Because at this time, in these circumstances, Bishop is a better solution. Maybe the same can be said for the Joe Smith for Charles Roberts deal. No slight against Charles, just a simple case of a better solution given the current circumstances.
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HfxTC
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:53 AM
While I don't like the trade. I have no problem with it. Taman went and got what his coach asked for. As a coach don't diminish the man's aura to his fans. Don't devalue him by stating he's lost his game and then the next day reverse everything you said about the man. (Did the same in the Westwood situation).
Even TSN who is a very conservative media outlet pointed his inexplicably incompatible comments.
Berry is very, very scared right now...and probably praying Smith is the next Roberts.
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disciplineandpunish
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 02:32 AM
Yeah, Roberts never said he was better than the rest of his team. He said he worked as hard or harder than anyone on the team. Meaning, basically, nobody on the team worked harder than me. And once again, if you look at his production over the past 7 years, it's hard to argue with the statement.
Berry, on the other hand, has completely lost my respect. Swinging this way and that, blowing hot one week and cold another, throwing players in and out of the doghouse more times than you can shake a stick at, yelling at his players on the sidelines ... if you want to talk about lack of class, let's talk about Doug Berry and his behavior this year.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:05 AM
Re; doubleblue
In reply to Leo Lewis, there is no question. . . I'd take Leo Lewis on my team x1000 before any other player in that category.
re; bigdave
I hope that my style of writing offends no ones comprehension for english.
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stamphater
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 09:52 AM
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Charles Roberts comments about Berry Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 12:24 PM
HfxTC wrote:
Who's We LOL!
You should know. I was referring to BigU. We're not the kind of fans that fear intimidation, that's not what Bomber football is about.
stamphater wrote:
RedandWhite wrote:
...Bigo your-I'm-smarter-than you attitude really bites you know....maybe if you can't debate in a gentlemanly manner you should 'stay clear'...stamphaters comments were valid and worthy of a smarter response than you offered...
....won't be surprized by a condescending reply...
There's no need to reply, Bigo's attitude speaks volumes as to whom he thinks he is. I wonder if he is this bitter if his team was 7-2.
??wha. My post above^ helps clarify where I stand - or I would hope.
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You know. . . I give up. I don't deserve this; for whatever the reason.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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This picking up cans thing or gardening habit is truly moronic. If Smith wets the bed, it's indicative of the Bombers managment at this point. If Smith does well, we make the play-offs then all is well.
Otherwise, we have Fred Reid ready, and I like the guy.
gangtackle wrote:
How freakin' hard up for negative news are you people? Give your collective heads a shake. Joe Smith likes to garden and spend time with his wife. He recycles bottles and watches his nickels and dimes. Ooooh.. what a loser! My God, you run a man down for these rinky-dink offences? And in this day and age of gangsta yahoos in pro sports.
To me, Joe Smith actually sounds like someone I'd be proud and happy to have as a neighbour. His biggest "crime" against humanity? He doesn't spend his every waking moment and ounce of energy thinking about his job when he's off work. Remind you of anybody you know? Yes it does ... it reminds you of just about everyone you know.
Headcase is what he's been called. Headcase?? I think the only headcases are the people on this forum who refuse to accept that the players under those helmets are actually real, live, breathing human beings ... not just football-bots.
You guys disgust me at times ... you really do.
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I'm sorry, I just have to say that I loved your post, and I'm officially taking back the thunder to you my friend. That was awesome to read. Made my day. People in life give themselves far too much credit; more than they are deserving of. Total morale booster if I've ever seen one myself. I must say this.
As for Gardner Joe. I love it that he told Wally to stick to laying bricks, rather than enact as a football coach. I don't care for Buono's cholesterol commercials, (as we've all learned that appearances can be deceiving.)
I can assure you that Smith will enjoy an active lifestyle in Winnipeg if gardening is his thing he loves. We'll welcome his with open arms. I know what Vancouver is about, though people are not near as conceited about life where I come from. So, you get the idea. I can tell you one last thing though, Charles should never have left Winnipeg.
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You can have Smith and his oddities. He'll be hard pressed to find as nice gardening, scenery or shopping malls in Winnipeg as he did in Vancouver though.
Good luck Joe. I hear phone plans are cheaper in Manitoba.
I heard something related to that. Winnipeg is a great place, I think.
P.S. Can someone please send me a list of shopping malls in Vancouver. Much appreciated.
housedog
Post subject: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 09:29 PM
The proposal to build a CFL stadium in Quebec city has been rejected by the federal Gov't according to statements on The TSN site. Federal Minister Lawrence Canon stated the Federal Gov't will not be funding CFL stadiums. He further stated I've said no to Winnipeg. I'm not going to fund footbal stadiums. This news should once and for all, put to rest the Asper proposal, which appears dead. Unless Asper is willing to pay the whole shot to build a new stadium the proposal is dead. The subject of ownership should now revert back to community ownership.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Laval Stadium rejected Posted: Sep 06, 2008 - 01:37 AM
Good point housedog, at 2-7 the team can be a focal point to rally around now without distraction. Playoffs are in order.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: Time To Move Forward Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 04:34 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
I love Fred Reid. Super happy that this man gets his turn.
He's a younger, faster version of Roberts and now they have the luxury of a power back too boot in Smith.
Now they just need to get the passing game going.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:16 PM
Amidst all of the chaos in this tantamount decision to annul Roberts as a long time bomber:
1) do not confuse the fans as a pigeon hole for tamans miscarriage of justice. (i.e. trading roberts)
2) as a fan I do not blame taman for lack of a motive (e.g. crappy running game) to make this trade.
3) Even though we - mostly I - am critical of this organizations managment situation, more specifically involving the private ownership collusion.
In all honesty, watching this season become what it has, viewing the complacency on ourbombers, especially toward a futile effort on the field it is sad to see Charles take the fall so close to 10,000.
I would've stuck by Roberts, even though I wish we never traded him, I cannot say I support the decision to sell out roberts for lack of a better backfield. However, this is not my vision as I am consciously aware it is that of Taman.
We sold out Roberts in spite of Taman's trade. It is embarassing.
That is the truth. ^
Somebody had to say it, so here.
Post subject: RE: I stand alone Posted: Sep 03, 2008 - 10:32 P
^ I'm not going to make another thread, so about this next topic re: milt. I am not going to accept you being traded. No way - no how. Life without roberts is enough for one fan. Thanks for toughing it out this season, we're not that bad, but roberts should still be a bomber.
housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 06:36 PM
Bigco you could not have said it better. Some will think Taman as a hero. In reality he should be flushed down the toilet.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:56 PM
I respect the fact (which I am speaking to you of course) in this case, when somebody reads something. You take it for what it is.
There'll be some that deliberately foil the context, so without turning the other cheek that'll outright refuse it. It's see no evil hear no evil. Rather than face the denial, they fake their understanding of it. (i.e. ourbombers)
Now that we hear about Smith, his gardening, his garbage picking, his lack of conceit that vancouver brainwashes everyone for. . . it does not speak for the football country Winnipeg undoubtedly is. BC does not even compare a sniff of what Roberts leaves behind here. That is what people are complaining about, when they should be focused on how poorly managed this team is resulted in trading a Bomber great.
Smith is a great back to be certain.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: att; zoo + pigseye Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 12:46 AM
Now that roberts has been traded, are you both still somewhat on opposite sides of the managment issue or are you more apathetic toward them?
I saw Khari's demise as a debacle of sorts, fortunately we had Glenn to bail us out of that one (and managment).
But, what does this trade do for you as a Bomber fan? Just curious to see your response.
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 10:18 AM
I'm actually somewhat "excited" about the trade for a couple reasons.
First, being that Berry has wanted a power back from day one for this offense. Berry has a long history of running successful offenses and now we will see if this is what the Bomber offense has needed.
Secondly, Taman is letting Berry fix the "problems". I'm much more comfortable with this than Taman calling the shots. Taman's record shows that he holds onto veterans too long out of loyalty. I think Berry is objective enough to make the tough decisions based upon performance only.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 11:20 AM
In Regina last week, Roberts wasn't even participating in the huddles, he'd line up in the backfield without doing up his chin strap. Basically telling Sask.'s defense he wasn't getting the ball.
papazoola
Post subject: Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 04:22 PM
.....i don't like the term apathetic.... cautious and curious more like....I've liked Joe Smith when he first started for the leos....How he works out for the Bombers is another question...IF he lights it up on Sunday and continues to be a success in the Peg....great...Taman has much to answer for if everything goes sideways from now till the end of the year...and Berry will be questioned as to why his type offence isn't working with a back of Smiths calibre...We'll see soon enough and the opinions will be coming fast and furious by then...
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 12:01 AM
Thanks you fellas. Good job.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: 2 days to. . . Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 11:19 AM
da bomba's OL.
Now that they've set their eyes on a truck named Smith; can we suspect our OL (the most important facet on the team. . .) will finally stop underachieving?
Here's the truth:
The backfield will be a lot different with Smith.
Quite frankly we know Fred Reid is a baller, the guy wants this badly.
It all rests on the OL response, which has been inconsistent all season. I know this OL can play better. . . they have to in order to make the play-offs. It really is: the more our OL get used to Smith, knowing what he needs to accomplish, will help elevate their game.
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"Kevin Glenn is a winner." Doug Berry's hear no evil see no evil philosophy.
"I guess we should have known that Glenns success against the Ti-Cats was only an apparation" - papazoola
The thing with Sheridan most likely appears to be dead wood, nothing is going to change it. Sheridan is being treated as if he doesn't exist, and that's supposed to be part of the magic trick. Hear no evil, see no evil.
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All that matters is offense, I want an offense, which lives and dies with the OL. I think a running game might open the floodgates, finally.
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It is little wonder how people feel about Roberts in wpg, that is where this great discussion only begins to tip the iceberg. I'd say tophat does an admirable job in keeping it as close to football sense, pigseye knows the score as well.
My heart says, I'll be surprised to see how "properly" Buono's plans are with Roberts. Buono tells me something about indifference causes his own players to rebel. Therefore, HfxTC makes some decent points. However, it's not all about the coaching as he adamently places the entire context of his argument on it as strictly as he does.
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Wally usually just cuts people, or gives them away for a draft pick. If we can get any use at all out of Roberts we come out ahead imo.
^This tells me nothing. You can get 10 yards on Roberts first carry, do you win the trade?
footballmad wrote:
ya and a crappy new opffensive system taking away from the skilled back he is didn;t help that. ya do us all a favour and pull your head out of your a$$
I have to agree with you here. The Bomber's should have used Roberts more effectively. Our OL are plain shriners with helmets on. Sheridan went awol; it was for that reason.
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Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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I'm just saying Roberts won't be the same player that raises your expectation in BC as we was in Winnipeg. Point being, he might be known well as blink in the peg' but more 'blank' in BC.
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We welcome posters with truly objective analysis. However, I disagree with the fact our team has turned itself over. When a trade of this kind takes place, the entire team takes a full circle so to speak. Our running game was not even a spot on the radar as far as warning signs go. Contact Smith if you think we'll be a threat or not. No one knows yet.
Has Roberts lost a step is irrelevant. The reality is that Roberts won't be the same running back as he was when with da bomba's.
To each his own opinion I say. I communicate the truth only, because I care to.
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While the ultimate fanboy network on www. (which shall remain nameless) reckons how to spell r-o-b-e-r-t-s name in a bowl of alphaghettis. . . maybe in BC those insightful fantards enjoy lovely tender-vittles they feed off of Buono's backside.
The running game is back in Winnipeg, and that's all that counts.
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I just posted this and I thought it would be fitting here as well. . .
Here's the main difference when speaking of the Joltin Joe bashers in BC. Once Joe gets his mojo going in the peg, it's a lot different football country, it could drastically change Smith as a player. As a player coming from a Buono-Lion environment, Smith will find it much easier a transition in Winnipeg I imagine.
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Prowler wrote:
Think about it...the BC Lions got Charles freaking Roberts! WOW!!!
Hey, that's cool. We hope that you like Roberts as much as we did I'm sure. Just saying.
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Right, I was only posing in this forum with some information worth denoting. All is not well in the organization, within that the entire team in Wpg are well aware that Roberts played himself off the team. It's no secret how bad things were with Roberts here. That's my point.
EXCUSE ME FOR LIVING.
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Again I do agree with HfxTC. However, I still believe roberts played himself off the team because that's exactly what he wanted. As for the fans, if Roberts had an attitude that really wanted to get to 10,000 yards, DON'T YOU THINK HE'D STAY MOTIVATED. I challenge any one of you to deny that or I accuse you of all being liars. BUT THINK ABOUT IT FIRST. Remember, we're not confusing ourselves with hating Roberts. I believe that Roberts had he wanted to stay would have done so with everything in his power.
This follows my simple conclusion that even 10,000 yards as a Bomber, in spite of that milestone, Roberts didn't want it badly enough to survive for the fans! Now he's a Lion. . .
1) I don't respect that one bit.
2) Ask me if I should care if you agree with it but that's the truth of the matter.
Heart has a place in this game, Milt has it, and he came back to deliver the goods.
If you ask milt if he's disappointed about WHAT ROBERTS DID for this TO HAPPEN. . . I'll bet my RRSP collection on it. I kid you not.
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I'm just more curious to see what Roberts displays dealing with someone such as team we-are-all-albino-robots.
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Personally, Wpg want Smith to see what he can do in b&g. We have Fred Reid, which seems to me he'll get his shot. This trade needed to happen. Defenses across the CFL were shutting down our running game, while our OL was shutting us out completely. Smith is going to add something we've needed all year.
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I was going to post this in the Lions forum, but they seem to be a bunch of over-zealous hippies next to their cousins from Regina. That being said: it's a tougher hill to climb when dealing with Buono. Everyone in Winnipeg will say BC won this deal.
Based on false misrepresentation, I would say Roberts asked to be traded (-) only because he played himself off the team. It was a mutual accord between Berry and Roberts all the way through. Berry refused to put Roberts in the doghouse, but Charlie played nice even though the chances are resisted Berry's wishes on the offense.
I'm sure we can all agree on that.
A lot of fans are going to think:
(1) should Berry had utilized Roberts properly?
(2) Do you blame Roberts for his diminshing skills.
Point being raised is simple. Do you think Buono is going to use Charles the way we didn't, will equal success for Roberts, or is Roberts prime over?
That in itself^ will measure this trade.
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The problem is more to do with each player understanding their role on the team, Matt Sheridan, now Charles Roberts have been pushed over (For lack of a better term.) That's not to mention our qb situation getting any better, or how receivers are getting open.
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hammerbutt wrote:
Completely pointless move. This should have been the point where Bauer steps in and fires Taman and Berry. Roberts stayed in Regina instead of coming back with the team so my guess is he told Berry to go
f%ck himself after Berry once again decided to blame Blink to save his own job. I wonder what excuse they will make next week when Smith gets 42 yards against Sask
Well, look at what we have here. . . hammerbut^. Collusion only gets one so far, but how the mighty have fallen on hard pressed times eh.
If you want to talk some real football about this trade, I invite you to go elsewhere.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=28899
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On a side note: ourbomber's with all due respect is a ton of larfs right now. I can play the informant all I want to, simply because, I can't think of a time this so called 'trade' was supposed to happen. If wally thinks Smith is washed up, he hasn't asked Roberts that question either. Things are more clearer now than they were in the past 24 hours before Roberts became a Lion.
Wally Buono is not about collusion within a system he operates his team under. Winnipeg on the other hand is a ceiling waiting to cave in, Roberts got out before it gave in under him.
I swear it's like a living union of steel workers that can't build a bridge if their lives depended on it, yet no one wants to say anything about. Total brutal hypocrisy, no matter how gun shot Taman is. A brainless deal, for a brain dead team in trumoil without BoD's firing an inept president. The wrong people, the right totem pole. . . I'm telling you. Just a joke all around gay parading farce.
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Leave it to Brendan Taman, (Doug Berry) has full knowledge the teams offense is in desperate need of rectifying the running game. That same head coach, reveals on his radio 'coaches show' that Charles Roberts is not the same running back he was 3 years ago. Something has to give. Does it sound to be a horror film, pretty close I guess.
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And if you watch the plays they are running closely, you will see they have little or chance of succeeding. There is no misdirection, no clearing out of areas for receivers on crossing routes. It is probably the worst run offense I have seen in my 30 years as a fan.
I have seen better run offenses at the CIS level with a fraction of the talent.
This quote is from pigseye^. It's a wide eye opener.
1) Does our OL seem to take the fall for this, if so, Roberts was really done.
2) Fred Reid. Good or bad.
3) Taman makes a move that shook the earth, (wpg at least) which will not be popular with fans. Just because Roberts writing was on the wall, does it make this any better - it might not.
4) This has nothing to do with change. There is no reason to watch 10,000 yards anymore if it meant a shoddy running game. More supply and demand which the Bombers lack, a move clearly needed to be done.
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Yes.
Walks plank.*
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Well, so much for all this collusion talk eh fellas? Unreal. Simply unreal.
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housedog
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 03:27 PM
blue&gold4ever wrote:
Housedog, your just another blind fan who thinks that Canadinns Stadium is fine and as for 27,000 fans not complaining about the washrooms and legroom, your dead wrong, if you polled the 27,000 fans, i guarantee at least half if not more would say our stadium is outdated and totally disgusting.
You cannot tell me there is nothing wrong with the washrooms, consessions, legroom and the list goes on. If your happy with a dump for a stadium so be it, i sure as heck hate Canadinns Stadium, downright ugly, dirty, disgusting and quite frankly embarressing. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, but honestly, how can you sit there and say 27,000 fans are happy? That is just a bad argument.
27,000 fans are not influenced by washrooms or leg room as you would suggest. I never have a problem buying a beer or a keychain. As for the washrooms. I really don't know what you can do to improve this. With the volume of fans going to the washrooms at half time you still are in need of the hated P-ss trough. Unless you have some cleaning personel standing there cleaning urinals and troughs it still is going to stink. What do you want ?? If it bothers you that much then don't go. 27,000 fans are not happy with the current team and management, which should be a priority for change. Regina, Hamilton, Montreal all have older facilities and are in process of fixing their facilities. Your argument for a new stadium does not wash.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 07:07 PM
When it rains it pours.
When you look at how success is measured in Mtl, it's hard not to notice the windfall. In our case there is no tradeoff with the floudering in this mess of an organization.
If plinko chips are Aspers game as I suspect they are, it does not equate with sound managing in any case.
That being said, this BoD's sure have no excuses when happening on the field. I guess this is rather redundant to say so.
In other words what pigseye cares to illustrate re; Aspser, is about a man who sits on the couch somewhere in his Tuxedo home. He's watching the Price is Right, in an imaginary episode while yelling with Bob Barker, because the plinko chip isn't going where it's supposed to.
Actually, that has Asper written all over it, along with managment, the coaching staff can't even get the wheel spinning.
*Another plinko chip falls.
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Yes - yes absolutely my friend. All is not fine.
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Glenn wasn't great today, but IMO he is not in a position where he can succeed
About the only post in this entire thread that actually has a clue, and he isn't even a Bomber fan.
The offense has absolutely no identity. Two weeks ago against Hamilton, they were a power running team, smashing the ball with tight ends and Haywood at full back and going deep with the pass. Today they were back to a bunch of pansies, who got their azzes handed to then physically by the Rider defense.
You would think the entire offense went with a game plan wouldn't particularly show a defense what they've already done this season. The problem has been on execution all season. Therefore, without consistency on offense, no guts, no glory. Cliche as it sounds, it's not really.
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You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
housedog
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 01:12 AM
Bauer and Taman have incubated a bunch of ROTTEN EGGS!!!!!
PIGSEYE
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 10:06 AM
lol, on that we can agree, a few rotten eggs in the basket to be sure. But I suspect now that the NFL cuts have occurred, some of those rotten eggs will be tossed out. If not, them that is even more of a reason to clean house at the management level.
TrueBlue2008
Post subject: Re: RE: I knew MTL had great fans Posted: Sep 01, 2008 - 02:36 PM
bigcanadiano wrote:
You would think Berry has taken all of this into account.
Accountability has to start from somewhere to get this across, it starts with Bauer and Taman nesting eggs without the hatching, they've incubated this team instead.
That's probably the most succinct description of the Bombers I've ever read, especially when you go think back to the Khari years.
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