I hear you there about Roberts. But the point is the opp. defense forces Glenn to keep the ball on every option the off. runs. That would mean if Dinwiddie were to fake the option, and do a bootleg, then maybe flip a shovel pass or screen might be more effective. Bootlegs are kind of deadly on passing situations though, so I wouldn't be surprised if the option is called, that dinwiddie SHOULD keep it himself, then look for roberts in an out pattern.
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bigcanadiano wrote:
I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
When they run that option hand off with Glenn, it isn't fooling anyone. Everybody knows Glenn isn't going to keep it and run, so they all pull down ontop of Roberts.
Dinwiddie on the other hand, does have the ability to take off with it, so they can't cheat towards Roberts on that play, which will give Roberts just enough of a hole.
The running game, should, start to open up now.
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I must say: that hurts to hear, but I believe you.
My only guess is, if they throw in Randall, they'll be forced to utilize Roberts, with that in mind the opp. defense will be easier to read/react to creating passing situations on second downs.
It's not impossible but it is doable. That's what the coaches are here for.
Here's the thing pigs_eye:
we can point at taman for our next topic of focus, however, talking solutions not (as in taman) part of the problem.
1.1. we've had the 'we need to play our back-ups' more often due to lack or inexperience in case our #1 goes down. (my reason follows)
1.2. now that we're in the position NECESSARY to give back-ups the snap counts, I see no obstacle in doing just that.
We need to overcome this inability to perform, while not shooting ourselves in the foot over it. It forces the coaches into alternatives that opposing teams don't LOOK out for.
I blame this entire mess squarely on Bauer's shoulders.
Nobody deserves this going into Thur. nobody. All of the sudden we're dinwiddie'd to death, but done taking risks at 0-4. I don't think we'll be showing up aces on Thur. if you ask Berry.
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I know, come Thur. what about after ever '2-and-out' the music heard over the pa_system blares out Kanye West lyrics. . . "18 years, 18 years" representing how long it's been since a GC.
Or each time we get into the red zone, Wayne/Garth dancing to "We won $10,000. . ." appears on the jumbo-tron.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 12:06 AM
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I'd start at the top with Bauer, he's done his thing with the finances, now it's time for somebody who can bring a sense of pride back to the organization. For the last 20 years, many great players have passed over the Bombers as an option to play.
This latest thing with the cheerleaders is just another example of how far things have deteriorated with the organization.
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I see the head cheerleader's need to resign was rather forthcoming of her to do so, but it really wasn't necessary if Winnipeg as an organization stepped up to help detract the undesirable women that started it all. It's a tough situation to be in, but she made a gutsy move in resigning. I know I would.
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
military time: losing patience: psychosis
I'll add to that for certain, which I empathize with how candid Hamilton is of its team. In Winnipeg's case it's very different, considering the fact Randall deserves to have at least been inserted through some point of turn. I highly doubt this is blasphemy considering an 0-4 start to the season with an inept offense. It's really that serious here.
No matter what Bob the snob Irving does to live down how bad the team is right now, (listening to Irving rudimentary football huddle).
Tonight, it was John Huffnagel doing Irving the honors, and Huff played Irving like a fool knowing full well the consequences.
Who votes 'yes' in this poll sees exactly what's at fault.
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Dinwiddie has a lot to prove:
1.0 The coaches know Dinwiddie is trigger happy, they'll hold him to strict play-calling as they did in the GC.
1.1. Dinwiddie has a lot of trouble running into what he reads opposed to what his DECISIONS are. He might make the right read, but he's to greedy when it comes to what he WANTS to to with the ball.
1.3. Thus dinwiddie's int. ratio increases.
This reminds me of former qb coach mike working's son, posted a story on ourbombers after dinwiddie's performance in BC last season. He witnessed a comment made toward dinwiddie, when questioned about a long passing attempt. The coach said: 'you'd never make that throw.' It's indicative of dinwiddie's over compensating tendencies, that simply won't just go away unless you are of the 'hear no evil see no evil' type.
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Serna should have been year long ago, Troy was released about 4 years too late.
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You guys make it seem Dinwiddie's breast-feeding for the backup role and you're all surrogate candidates for the in-vitro. If the Bombers (as I fully expect. . .) wet the bed, instead of Randall, then go back to Glenn without any question??? The fact is this team hasn't scored points on offense, there is no reason that Randall shouldn't be given playing time. Berry is completely covering his tracks, the trouble is the footprints are as large as an elephant it's hard keep the hiding place secret.
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GOD. 0-4 man. 0-4!!!111LO1 This isn't ridicue it's madness that people don't see what the hell is going on but put the dagger in it.
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blue&gold4ever wrote:
OK this is ridiculous i know and i have never been a KG fan, he reminds me of Khari Jones
It's a stretch to say, but I'll say it anyway, this looked more to me like a curse of Kerwin Bell.
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Nobody here is blaming Dinwiddie, I'm just not so narrow minded to believe in the second-coming of a miracle. That being said, tell me when it comes down to the sense of what really matters most?
2.0 = the bombers at 0-4 haven't managed an offense that generated only 1~td per every 6 qtrs. (this follows)
2.1 = Any reasonable attempt of an offense is TO SCORE POINTS. . .
2.2 = this is indicative of a very inefficient strategy, that in order to correct it should have at least shown Not only Dinwiddie but Randall (I would think) would have already been taking snaps (which he hasn't.) It's unbelievable to me.
Very simple logic.
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Yes, I'll think about my free tax paid mts center while breaking the bank with profits to boot.
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UPA_Smitten wrote:
Should all control, all profit be ceded to private owners for a relatively small contribution to the initial cost?
A resounding 'no' should echo across the red river to meet you.
But honestly man, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here. . . I did a pretty fair job instructing the exact same issue not too long ago.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=27140
You can't just ask someone a hypothetical question expecting an answer. I actually gave people an answer by saying, "We're a bunch of morons giving Mark Chipman an arena for free, if you really believe that should happen again."
In case you're wondering, I'm only adding to your position, just giving the people a refresher.
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Re; '99'
This my friend was a brilliant post you made, as brilliant as they come in fact. . . )
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Dave Ritchie was a player's coach that kept veterans around longer than he should have. Crandall and the Stamps got hot at the right time and haven't equaled that intensity since--it was a fluke they beat the Bombers in the Grey Cup.
Jim Daley and Doug Berry were good assistant coaches who couldn't take it to the next level. Both lacked the imagination and leadership that it takes to coach a talented bunch like the Bombers.
I liken Berry's coaching style to that of a novice chess player. He comes out with his queen, a bishop and tries to checkmate in 4 over and over again.
When the opposition figures that out, Berry haphazardly throws out a few pawns in a vain attempt to stop the opponent's attack and create more room for his predictable queen-bishop-rook attack.
Though this strategy might result in a win against teams who have pieces missing from the board (Hamilton) and/or lack the skill to readily exploit Berry's lack of board development, skillful teams like Montreal will shred the secondary and dominating defenses like BC will commit their defense to stop a Bomber passing offence that doesn't believe in a running game.
We have one of the best O-lines in the CFL, the best RB in Blink (Lumsden's a marshmallow; see my glass RB post in the puttytat forum), the best D-line in football, a secondary that needs babysitting and special teams that are high maintenance.
It takes a head coach with skill to lead this Grey Cup contender to the promised land. Berry just doesn't have it. He rose to his level of incompetence last year in the Grey Cup and should be tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a flatcar.
That snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer should take the reins until a suitable coach is found; one that recognizes the talent of the Bombers and knows how to use it to maximum advantage.
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However, getting rid of Bauer would not only be 'catastrophic' but also welcome. The BoD's iron_clad outfitter's get tailored at Mr. BIG AND TALL on PORTAGE AVE.
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At this point, be afraid, be very afraid, that's all I can tell you.
GONG!
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Oh, by the way it looks like Bryant ran away with the derby in BC the other night.
Congrats Romby, you did us proud busta.
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I want to know how many of you, regardless of your real postion on the matter, in the very least feel that if the Bomber's were any other team Randall would have seen some playing time by now?
Very simple. Not so simple minded.
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^Honestly I am so mad right now. Berry's "Kevin Glenn is a winner" on CJOB tonight just got me fuming. What a clown he is for stating that.
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. . . is this years title of Doug Berry's blasphemous auto-biography circa 2008. (this follows)
Listening to Bob 'the snob' Irving on the coaches show this evening is a waste of time. True to Irving's forum, there is such one-sided discussion, yet super-charged with ego it's sickening.
Before Berry even admits that Glenn is done in Winnipeg; the door has all but been shown to Glenn. They call this professionalist? I guess only in Winnipeg.
The thing that gets to me in Winnipeg, before Taman or Bauer reveal it's time to move on, is how snuffed out the fans are getting 8_balled this season. So much promise, that 300k to Kevin Glenn gave us?? This is absolutely mind boggling to say the least. (this follows)
Doug Browns spin zone, has an animated side-kick knob-jobbing his mouth and it's supposed to excuse everything. My god, this season is an all out farce right from the beginning.
The truth be told, I fully anticipate that Doug Berry's solution is to bring in Randall at the "right time".
At 0-4, this entire mess should be cleaned up, and slated to move Randall into the starters role. Dinwiddie is nothing more than a back-up. At 1td per 6 qtrs. of play, there is no excuse (even with Kevin Glenn 300k) not to put Randall in by now. But not one fan is intelligent enough to see it.
This Bomber team is a lifeless arrogant bunch that completely undermines everything the B&G should be.
I am totally embarassed to be a Bomber fan based on such pure brutal hypocrisy, that Randall sits on the sidelines under circumstances that any PROFESSIONAL COACH in this league would have at least given the kid a shot.
WHAT A JOKE. FIRE BAUER NOW!!!!!1111 This is his idiotic bs.
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???what. Let's see what Dinwiddie can do?? This offense hasn't avg'd more than 1 td for every six quarters played. . . how much worse can dinwiddie do on offense? It's not even funny.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: The one thing: Bomber's need to replace. . . .is Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 04:33 PM
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'we got it going on' slogan.
With. . .
'My kingdom for a horse' and a big picture of Lyle Bauer with an 'x' marked over it.
But all seriousness aside, I truly hope the best for Dinwiddie, but I don't think he's a starting cfl qb - I'm not going to lie. What I hope happens and what will actually happen, well, you get the picture.
Other than that, to watch Dinwiddie capsize down the spiral - then - it'll be Randall's turn.
Please - please do not commit back to Glenn, I pray this with all my heart.
Randall can do something with what we've got.
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re; barrin simpson
His career is finished now.
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Glenn actually said that?? At 300k he's he learned too much from Khari Jones.
I've been waiting to say this for a while now, but the time has come, I was right when saying Taman should have dealt Glenn/Simpson for Calvillo. I'd have done it in a heart beat.
At the time I made my opinions about Calvillo known on ourbombers, you see the posters running rampant with their heads cut off. It's ludicrous.
If Glenn actually said that, the man is a write off. Absolutely.
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I want to see Randall play, but that's just selfish of me to say so.
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There is little doubt that berry can instill confidence in Dinwiddie's chances. Dinwiddie is going in with an offense that can't generate as many td's as its defense for crying out loud.
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milt-for-life
Post subject: RE: Re: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Doug Berry is a total ignorant idiot look how it tturrned out for the riders... Marcus Crandal was playing like ****, so they tried their backup.. then that guy plays like **** and they put in darian Durant he plays good and wins the game. THE RIDERS ARE 4-0
now Kevin Glenn plays like **** for 4 games straight andin 1 game Dinnwiddie goes in and doesnt do anything special bt we end up 0-4
if we tried out all of our quarterbacks in the first place we wouldnt be in such a goddamn big mess!!
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Jerome Haywood on Gavin Walls and Tom Canada
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That's exactly the kind of response I was looking for.
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~I have to say that i'm excited about Samuels coming back because in my opinion, (as I expressed vehemently in the past. . . ) Samuels left unceremoniously. This provides us with character that the Bombers desperately need, (which I also recently posted as a 'locker room type player'.) Just what the dr. ordered. The defense can use a veteran, and this speaks volumes for what the defense has been missing.
Assessing the blame is easier than addressing the poitical changes that we should see happen.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 12:45 PM
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redwhite2005 wrote:
Guys be sure you remain calm this is just a bad nightmare. This may cause you to get your drinking habit back. But in all honesty Berry has lost his team. They need change quickly. The Stamps see a wounded bomber team and will be going after them. This could be another ugly game. Keep smiling guys you will get through this. How is my buddy Taman looking lately?
This season is rather becoming of the situation, the situation as it stands is damage control. Doug Brown wrote a column last week appealing to the fans; but in my opinion, the tables have turned against Taman or what Bauer believes should happen next? By all indications, it looks as though the pattern of 'blaming the coach' has no excuse to be given. This utter failure exposes Taman as well as Bauer given Dave Ritchies infamous departure. I do not see this team as the same unit as Daley was when with the organization, it's apples and oranges but it comes a close second. The same difference between Daley and Berry acts as a measuring stick: in this case is that what Berry did with Kevin Glenn. With an inferior type of qb, Berry took this team with a huge sacrifice in order. . . and succeeded. (This follows.)
In my opinion, if the Bombers BoD's fail to recognize the pattern of illogical thinking befallen upon Taman or Bauer as pointing toward Berry as the scapegoat, there is a problem. The solution is somewhat more complicated than removing Berry; it lays somewhat on the shoulders of managment at this point. It truly gives us an indication that serves Taman is incompetent provided that Bauer is shown the door. Otherwise, the BoD's have to be written off for lack of intelligent vision. The future cannot rest upon Bauer, even, even if the one thing keeping the BoD's from canning Bauer is the stadium issue. (This follows.)
That Bauer has invested some effort to keep himself around enough that the BoD's won't publically denounce Bauer.
If there's another issue that needs to be addressed, it's that Kevin Glenn has been spent. For a pro to make pro-$ figures, has tested Glenn's ability to perform. Now, Berry has to act 'responsibly' because of Glenn's oversized ego?? Perhaps, but we can't equate Glenn's inability to perform with the likes of a Doug Flutie or Tom Brady. That being said, I do not count Berry at fault for this either. The Bombers went into the season counting chickens before they hatch. (This follows.)
I think Berry would make a unilateral move at taking Bryan Randall and molding him until ready for a start.
With that intent in mind, Bomber fans can suffer the cost of wondering how Dinwiddie will falter? The coaching staff knows how capable Dinwiddie is, however, the task at hand is if the kid can consistently do what is required. They know Dinwiddie is over-zealous at best. Nothing they can do about it. (This follows)
Bryan Randall. That's the guy we go with. Not that it's going to happen though. Berry probably thinks that Glenn can help the team get 3 maybe 4 crippling victories to salvage the year.
As Nacho Libre would say: Let's get down to the nitty gritty.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 11:04 AM
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Sad but true papa, and fortunate for the Bombers.
The East is wide open, the first team that starts to string together a few wins, can go from the outhouse to the penthouse, very quickly.
Nobody should be writing off the season after only 4 games in.
What was TO after 8 games last year 2 - 6, and they still finished first.
Way too much football to be played yet.
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Great points pigs_eye.
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RedandWhite wrote:
I confess I will worry about the upcoming matchup...
The offense is triggering a whopping avg. of 1 td for every six quarters of play.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: bed wetter's inc. minus bryan randall Posted: Jul 19, 2008 - 02:56 AM
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okay, so we know that Glenn's season is in jeopardy. . . it's an important change in fate. The truth be told, Dinwiddie is all but the guy now. However, Bryan Randall I think might be the real deal next to Dinwiddie. Next up, it's a lot of soul searching for this team.
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If this loss served Berry his last game as bomber coach, i doubt he'll be here to last 2 more losses. Greg Marshall will predicatbly be HC by seasons end.
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Sportsmen wrote:
Lets see, Head Coaches run out of Winnipeg:
Dave Ritchie
Jim Daley
Doug Berry (next)
It can't all be the Coaches fault. Who brings in the players for the Coach to use?
Taman!
Maybe before the next Coaching change, a GM change would be more appropriate.
After all, these three Coaches have one thing in common that Im pretty sure Taman doesn't have..... A Grey Cup Ring! (Ritchie with many teams, Berry with Montreal and Daley with Calgary)
let me buy u a beer, i like the way u think.
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Post subject: so if the bombers wet the bed in bc Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:29 PM
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things get even more uninspiring, and suppose the effort is on par with last week (which seems unfathomable if it even comes close to comparable. . .) then things in blue-land become truly problematic. Rest assured.
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Ha yes, Provencher Bridge. If we're going to deflate the issue of Eaton's; it should be kept in it's context. Nobody is crying over a building that doesn't exist. What matters is the aftermath, in what was neglected as result of the mts centre being built. That's all one should responsibly decipher.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 17, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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hammerbutt wrote:
As far as the Eaton's building if you're all weapy to see a heritage Department store building walk 3 blocks to the Bay
Spectacular. . . but that couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. I wish you'd see deeper into the thread, because it has a lot to offer. Unfortunately, unless you re-read some of what it TRULY meant. As it seems to me, this has nothing to do with being 'weapy'. It has a lot to do with a democratic, or in this case, the least diplomatic abolition of justice in this city's millenium.
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I know just how you feel.
This is actually about True North, in the same manner that they've pursued a pompous attitude the same way Winnipeg Enterprises ran in the former Winnipeg Arena.
There is no way Chipman can accomodate enough corporate sponsership with a lion-share. The profits to do so would be too ambitious, even by True North's standards.
I suppose if you've read how I think chipman, in my opinion, promises to fund a wpg_nhl_market. . . promises are made to be borken. I guarantee you (. . .in my original response to '99') that my dissertation of True North's quasi-proposal is bang on the metro-scope.
With everything going at a full proof cycle, the profitability of a wpg_nhl_market would be very challeneging to say the least.
(this follows. . .)
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why eaton's was a big mistake, but it'd be even bigger if the average citizen of winnipeg weren't educated enough to see how the bureaucractic element may surprise the few. Maybe just enough to feud with Chipman's rainbow-esque True North concept. You will quickly find chipman loves his photo-ops.
That way things could be done much-much better.
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great posts. As this thing begins to unravel, if Roberts continues to hurl the coaching staff, the players are revolting. This is not good going into bc.
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It's time to declare an onlinefatwa - it's time for bomberjihad.
The points you make of dinwiddie are quite intriguing actually. I recall Dinwiddie's struggle in BC last year when given the ball.
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Somethings up.
Bean with a mysterious hand injury, now Sheridan is placed on the 9 game IR, for a phantom shoulder injury.
Looks like they are making some cap room for someone.
And Kevin Glenn just needs to get his head out of his azz. 1 TD and 6 INTs in 3 games !!!! That just isn't good enough.
Maybe I was wrong, and they need more than just a locker-room type player.
Glenn cannot do any worse that's for sure.
No matter what Bob the snob Irving does to live down how bad the team is right now, (listening to Irving rudimentary football huddle).
Tonight, it was John Huffnagel doing Irving the honors, and Huff played Irving like a fool knowing full well the consequences.
Who votes 'yes' in this poll sees exactly what's at fault.
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Dinwiddie has a lot to prove:
1.0 The coaches know Dinwiddie is trigger happy, they'll hold him to strict play-calling as they did in the GC.
1.1. Dinwiddie has a lot of trouble running into what he reads opposed to what his DECISIONS are. He might make the right read, but he's to greedy when it comes to what he WANTS to to with the ball.
1.3. Thus dinwiddie's int. ratio increases.
This reminds me of former qb coach mike working's son, posted a story on ourbombers after dinwiddie's performance in BC last season. He witnessed a comment made toward dinwiddie, when questioned about a long passing attempt. The coach said: 'you'd never make that throw.' It's indicative of dinwiddie's over compensating tendencies, that simply won't just go away unless you are of the 'hear no evil see no evil' type.
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Serna should have been year long ago, Troy was released about 4 years too late.
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You guys make it seem Dinwiddie's breast-feeding for the backup role and you're all surrogate candidates for the in-vitro. If the Bombers (as I fully expect. . .) wet the bed, instead of Randall, then go back to Glenn without any question??? The fact is this team hasn't scored points on offense, there is no reason that Randall shouldn't be given playing time. Berry is completely covering his tracks, the trouble is the footprints are as large as an elephant it's hard keep the hiding place secret.
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GOD. 0-4 man. 0-4!!!111LO1 This isn't ridicue it's madness that people don't see what the hell is going on but put the dagger in it.
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blue&gold4ever wrote:
OK this is ridiculous i know and i have never been a KG fan, he reminds me of Khari Jones
It's a stretch to say, but I'll say it anyway, this looked more to me like a curse of Kerwin Bell.
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Nobody here is blaming Dinwiddie, I'm just not so narrow minded to believe in the second-coming of a miracle. That being said, tell me when it comes down to the sense of what really matters most?
2.0 = the bombers at 0-4 haven't managed an offense that generated only 1~td per every 6 qtrs. (this follows)
2.1 = Any reasonable attempt of an offense is TO SCORE POINTS. . .
2.2 = this is indicative of a very inefficient strategy, that in order to correct it should have at least shown Not only Dinwiddie but Randall (I would think) would have already been taking snaps (which he hasn't.) It's unbelievable to me.
Very simple logic.
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Yes, I'll think about my free tax paid mts center while breaking the bank with profits to boot.
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UPA_Smitten wrote:
Should all control, all profit be ceded to private owners for a relatively small contribution to the initial cost?
A resounding 'no' should echo across the red river to meet you.
But honestly man, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here. . . I did a pretty fair job instructing the exact same issue not too long ago.
http://www1.cfl.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=27140
You can't just ask someone a hypothetical question expecting an answer. I actually gave people an answer by saying, "We're a bunch of morons giving Mark Chipman an arena for free, if you really believe that should happen again."
In case you're wondering, I'm only adding to your position, just giving the people a refresher.
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Re; '99'
This my friend was a brilliant post you made, as brilliant as they come in fact. . . )
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Dave Ritchie was a player's coach that kept veterans around longer than he should have. Crandall and the Stamps got hot at the right time and haven't equaled that intensity since--it was a fluke they beat the Bombers in the Grey Cup.
Jim Daley and Doug Berry were good assistant coaches who couldn't take it to the next level. Both lacked the imagination and leadership that it takes to coach a talented bunch like the Bombers.
I liken Berry's coaching style to that of a novice chess player. He comes out with his queen, a bishop and tries to checkmate in 4 over and over again.
When the opposition figures that out, Berry haphazardly throws out a few pawns in a vain attempt to stop the opponent's attack and create more room for his predictable queen-bishop-rook attack.
Though this strategy might result in a win against teams who have pieces missing from the board (Hamilton) and/or lack the skill to readily exploit Berry's lack of board development, skillful teams like Montreal will shred the secondary and dominating defenses like BC will commit their defense to stop a Bomber passing offence that doesn't believe in a running game.
We have one of the best O-lines in the CFL, the best RB in Blink (Lumsden's a marshmallow; see my glass RB post in the puttytat forum), the best D-line in football, a secondary that needs babysitting and special teams that are high maintenance.
It takes a head coach with skill to lead this Grey Cup contender to the promised land. Berry just doesn't have it. He rose to his level of incompetence last year in the Grey Cup and should be tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a flatcar.
That snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer should take the reins until a suitable coach is found; one that recognizes the talent of the Bombers and knows how to use it to maximum advantage.
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However, getting rid of Bauer would not only be 'catastrophic' but also welcome. The BoD's iron_clad outfitter's get tailored at Mr. BIG AND TALL on PORTAGE AVE.
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At this point, be afraid, be very afraid, that's all I can tell you.
GONG!
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Oh, by the way it looks like Bryant ran away with the derby in BC the other night.
Congrats Romby, you did us proud busta.
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I want to know how many of you, regardless of your real postion on the matter, in the very least feel that if the Bomber's were any other team Randall would have seen some playing time by now?
Very simple. Not so simple minded.
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^Honestly I am so mad right now. Berry's "Kevin Glenn is a winner" on CJOB tonight just got me fuming. What a clown he is for stating that.
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. . . is this years title of Doug Berry's blasphemous auto-biography circa 2008. (this follows)
Listening to Bob 'the snob' Irving on the coaches show this evening is a waste of time. True to Irving's forum, there is such one-sided discussion, yet super-charged with ego it's sickening.
Before Berry even admits that Glenn is done in Winnipeg; the door has all but been shown to Glenn. They call this professionalist? I guess only in Winnipeg.
The thing that gets to me in Winnipeg, before Taman or Bauer reveal it's time to move on, is how snuffed out the fans are getting 8_balled this season. So much promise, that 300k to Kevin Glenn gave us?? This is absolutely mind boggling to say the least. (this follows)
Doug Browns spin zone, has an animated side-kick knob-jobbing his mouth and it's supposed to excuse everything. My god, this season is an all out farce right from the beginning.
The truth be told, I fully anticipate that Doug Berry's solution is to bring in Randall at the "right time".
At 0-4, this entire mess should be cleaned up, and slated to move Randall into the starters role. Dinwiddie is nothing more than a back-up. At 1td per 6 qtrs. of play, there is no excuse (even with Kevin Glenn 300k) not to put Randall in by now. But not one fan is intelligent enough to see it.
This Bomber team is a lifeless arrogant bunch that completely undermines everything the B&G should be.
I am totally embarassed to be a Bomber fan based on such pure brutal hypocrisy, that Randall sits on the sidelines under circumstances that any PROFESSIONAL COACH in this league would have at least given the kid a shot.
WHAT A JOKE. FIRE BAUER NOW!!!!!1111 This is his idiotic bs.
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???what. Let's see what Dinwiddie can do?? This offense hasn't avg'd more than 1 td for every six quarters played. . . how much worse can dinwiddie do on offense? It's not even funny.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: The one thing: Bomber's need to replace. . . .is Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 04:33 PM
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'we got it going on' slogan.
With. . .
'My kingdom for a horse' and a big picture of Lyle Bauer with an 'x' marked over it.
But all seriousness aside, I truly hope the best for Dinwiddie, but I don't think he's a starting cfl qb - I'm not going to lie. What I hope happens and what will actually happen, well, you get the picture.
Other than that, to watch Dinwiddie capsize down the spiral - then - it'll be Randall's turn.
Please - please do not commit back to Glenn, I pray this with all my heart.
Randall can do something with what we've got.
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re; barrin simpson
His career is finished now.
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Glenn actually said that?? At 300k he's he learned too much from Khari Jones.
I've been waiting to say this for a while now, but the time has come, I was right when saying Taman should have dealt Glenn/Simpson for Calvillo. I'd have done it in a heart beat.
At the time I made my opinions about Calvillo known on ourbombers, you see the posters running rampant with their heads cut off. It's ludicrous.
If Glenn actually said that, the man is a write off. Absolutely.
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I want to see Randall play, but that's just selfish of me to say so.
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There is little doubt that berry can instill confidence in Dinwiddie's chances. Dinwiddie is going in with an offense that can't generate as many td's as its defense for crying out loud.
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milt-for-life
Post subject: RE: Re: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Doug Berry is a total ignorant idiot look how it tturrned out for the riders... Marcus Crandal was playing like ****, so they tried their backup.. then that guy plays like **** and they put in darian Durant he plays good and wins the game. THE RIDERS ARE 4-0
now Kevin Glenn plays like **** for 4 games straight andin 1 game Dinnwiddie goes in and doesnt do anything special bt we end up 0-4
if we tried out all of our quarterbacks in the first place we wouldnt be in such a goddamn big mess!!
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"Gavin’s the speedster off the edge and Tom’s the kung-fu energy type of guy,”
Jerome Haywood on Gavin Walls and Tom Canada
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That's exactly the kind of response I was looking for.
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~I have to say that i'm excited about Samuels coming back because in my opinion, (as I expressed vehemently in the past. . . ) Samuels left unceremoniously. This provides us with character that the Bombers desperately need, (which I also recently posted as a 'locker room type player'.) Just what the dr. ordered. The defense can use a veteran, and this speaks volumes for what the defense has been missing.
Assessing the blame is easier than addressing the poitical changes that we should see happen.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Chief Council Meeting minus Doug Brown Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 12:45 PM
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redwhite2005 wrote:
Guys be sure you remain calm this is just a bad nightmare. This may cause you to get your drinking habit back. But in all honesty Berry has lost his team. They need change quickly. The Stamps see a wounded bomber team and will be going after them. This could be another ugly game. Keep smiling guys you will get through this. How is my buddy Taman looking lately?
This season is rather becoming of the situation, the situation as it stands is damage control. Doug Brown wrote a column last week appealing to the fans; but in my opinion, the tables have turned against Taman or what Bauer believes should happen next? By all indications, it looks as though the pattern of 'blaming the coach' has no excuse to be given. This utter failure exposes Taman as well as Bauer given Dave Ritchies infamous departure. I do not see this team as the same unit as Daley was when with the organization, it's apples and oranges but it comes a close second. The same difference between Daley and Berry acts as a measuring stick: in this case is that what Berry did with Kevin Glenn. With an inferior type of qb, Berry took this team with a huge sacrifice in order. . . and succeeded. (This follows.)
In my opinion, if the Bombers BoD's fail to recognize the pattern of illogical thinking befallen upon Taman or Bauer as pointing toward Berry as the scapegoat, there is a problem. The solution is somewhat more complicated than removing Berry; it lays somewhat on the shoulders of managment at this point. It truly gives us an indication that serves Taman is incompetent provided that Bauer is shown the door. Otherwise, the BoD's have to be written off for lack of intelligent vision. The future cannot rest upon Bauer, even, even if the one thing keeping the BoD's from canning Bauer is the stadium issue. (This follows.)
That Bauer has invested some effort to keep himself around enough that the BoD's won't publically denounce Bauer.
If there's another issue that needs to be addressed, it's that Kevin Glenn has been spent. For a pro to make pro-$ figures, has tested Glenn's ability to perform. Now, Berry has to act 'responsibly' because of Glenn's oversized ego?? Perhaps, but we can't equate Glenn's inability to perform with the likes of a Doug Flutie or Tom Brady. That being said, I do not count Berry at fault for this either. The Bombers went into the season counting chickens before they hatch. (This follows.)
I think Berry would make a unilateral move at taking Bryan Randall and molding him until ready for a start.
With that intent in mind, Bomber fans can suffer the cost of wondering how Dinwiddie will falter? The coaching staff knows how capable Dinwiddie is, however, the task at hand is if the kid can consistently do what is required. They know Dinwiddie is over-zealous at best. Nothing they can do about it. (This follows)
Bryan Randall. That's the guy we go with. Not that it's going to happen though. Berry probably thinks that Glenn can help the team get 3 maybe 4 crippling victories to salvage the year.
As Nacho Libre would say: Let's get down to the nitty gritty.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 11:04 AM
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Sad but true papa, and fortunate for the Bombers.
The East is wide open, the first team that starts to string together a few wins, can go from the outhouse to the penthouse, very quickly.
Nobody should be writing off the season after only 4 games in.
What was TO after 8 games last year 2 - 6, and they still finished first.
Way too much football to be played yet.
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Great points pigs_eye.
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RedandWhite wrote:
I confess I will worry about the upcoming matchup...
The offense is triggering a whopping avg. of 1 td for every six quarters of play.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: bed wetter's inc. minus bryan randall Posted: Jul 19, 2008 - 02:56 AM
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okay, so we know that Glenn's season is in jeopardy. . . it's an important change in fate. The truth be told, Dinwiddie is all but the guy now. However, Bryan Randall I think might be the real deal next to Dinwiddie. Next up, it's a lot of soul searching for this team.
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If this loss served Berry his last game as bomber coach, i doubt he'll be here to last 2 more losses. Greg Marshall will predicatbly be HC by seasons end.
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Sportsmen wrote:
Lets see, Head Coaches run out of Winnipeg:
Dave Ritchie
Jim Daley
Doug Berry (next)
It can't all be the Coaches fault. Who brings in the players for the Coach to use?
Taman!
Maybe before the next Coaching change, a GM change would be more appropriate.
After all, these three Coaches have one thing in common that Im pretty sure Taman doesn't have..... A Grey Cup Ring! (Ritchie with many teams, Berry with Montreal and Daley with Calgary)
let me buy u a beer, i like the way u think.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: so if the bombers wet the bed in bc Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:29 PM
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things get even more uninspiring, and suppose the effort is on par with last week (which seems unfathomable if it even comes close to comparable. . .) then things in blue-land become truly problematic. Rest assured.
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Ha yes, Provencher Bridge. If we're going to deflate the issue of Eaton's; it should be kept in it's context. Nobody is crying over a building that doesn't exist. What matters is the aftermath, in what was neglected as result of the mts centre being built. That's all one should responsibly decipher.
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 17, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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hammerbutt wrote:
As far as the Eaton's building if you're all weapy to see a heritage Department store building walk 3 blocks to the Bay
Spectacular. . . but that couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. I wish you'd see deeper into the thread, because it has a lot to offer. Unfortunately, unless you re-read some of what it TRULY meant. As it seems to me, this has nothing to do with being 'weapy'. It has a lot to do with a democratic, or in this case, the least diplomatic abolition of justice in this city's millenium.
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I know just how you feel.
This is actually about True North, in the same manner that they've pursued a pompous attitude the same way Winnipeg Enterprises ran in the former Winnipeg Arena.
There is no way Chipman can accomodate enough corporate sponsership with a lion-share. The profits to do so would be too ambitious, even by True North's standards.
I suppose if you've read how I think chipman, in my opinion, promises to fund a wpg_nhl_market. . . promises are made to be borken. I guarantee you (. . .in my original response to '99') that my dissertation of True North's quasi-proposal is bang on the metro-scope.
With everything going at a full proof cycle, the profitability of a wpg_nhl_market would be very challeneging to say the least.
(this follows. . .)
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why eaton's was a big mistake, but it'd be even bigger if the average citizen of winnipeg weren't educated enough to see how the bureaucractic element may surprise the few. Maybe just enough to feud with Chipman's rainbow-esque True North concept. You will quickly find chipman loves his photo-ops.
That way things could be done much-much better.
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great posts. As this thing begins to unravel, if Roberts continues to hurl the coaching staff, the players are revolting. This is not good going into bc.
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It's time to declare an onlinefatwa - it's time for bomberjihad.
The points you make of dinwiddie are quite intriguing actually. I recall Dinwiddie's struggle in BC last year when given the ball.
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Somethings up.
Bean with a mysterious hand injury, now Sheridan is placed on the 9 game IR, for a phantom shoulder injury.
Looks like they are making some cap room for someone.
And Kevin Glenn just needs to get his head out of his azz. 1 TD and 6 INTs in 3 games !!!! That just isn't good enough.
Maybe I was wrong, and they need more than just a locker-room type player.
Glenn cannot do any worse that's for sure.
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
dead poets society
Any losses incurred by True North, so long the NHL were to put a blanket over the feasability of a successful NOT mediocre wpg_market?
The answer(s) are simply in the magical_recipe provided to True North by you the citizen of Winnipeg.
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According to the Term Sheet and other information prepared by government authorities at the time the deal was done, the private owners of the True North arena were to receive direct subsidies of at least $1.5 million annually from VLT revenues, of which at least $1.125 million represents the foregone share that ordinarily would go to the provincial government.
The $1.5 million, remember, is a projected minimum. True North, or its assignee, gets 75 per cent, or $3 million, of the first $4 million of the revenue generated by its 50 VLTs. After $4 million they get the usual 20 per cent.
In addition, it was estimated at the time that another $2.2 million would go to the owners of the arena annually out of business and entertainment taxes that otherwise would be collected and kept by the city.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
This^ is the total cost of the mts centre for True North, or in other words, a hand is kept in your pocket while the potential for an NHL franchise were it to be hatched.
This is important information, if you THINK about it, only because a plot to exercise any $capital interest$ in a future NHL team does not rest on the the city. . . the NHL would have to be convinced it can squeeze the life out of it's investors.
If True North were to run the NHL in mts centre, the projected 5-10 year period of %100_capacity might break even through expenses (i.e.player salaries) depending on profits its allocated. The point being, if True North were to place half the costs from %50_capacity in mts centre, Mark Chipman may not benefit from the deal given to him by the government, nor would the NHL be willing to participate.
In a successful mts centre, Mark Chipman's NHL team would have to break even by covering all the costs, at %100 capacity, but would not be able to turn a profit at 60-75% capacity. The state of that happening would entail cutting loss.
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Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
Still, in 2008, the total property tax saving will come to more than $1.1 million. There's the other 20 per cent of the mortgage payment, and then some.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 09:13 PM
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bigcanadiano wrote:
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
Quebec City is what, 400 years old this year ?
Somehow, a dilapidated department store in Winnipeg, is hard to imagine as a Taj-Mahal. Except maybe if your a rat or a roach.
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(my response)
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What this means is that the actual cash invested in the arena was $58.5 million, of which $40.5 million, or 69.2 per cent came from the taxpayers and $18 million, or 30.8 per cent came from the private owners. So, really, the people who get all of the profit and have all of the control of the arena put up less than a third of the capital invested, and, as already noted, only 15 per cent of the total cost.
Put another way, for every $1 invested by the private owners, they got an immediate gift from the taxpayers of $2.25 of equity. That's right. On Day 1 they tripled their money with more to come.
^This (in italics.) =
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If it had been built on a vacant site already owned by the government, you could subtract from that the $3 million or so that it cost to tear down the Eaton's building.
For those of you doing the math, the actual share of the cost of the arena funded by the people who are reaping 100 per cent of the profits is less than 15 per cent (19 per cent if you accept that the Eaton's site, with the empty building still on it, was worth $5 million and not the nominal amount declared for land transfer tax purposes).
It should make you wonder how True North, Glenn Murray, or Gary Doer totally steamrolled the issue. In retrospect anything we were allowed to have knowledge of THEN in clear hindsite, factuality would have certainly played an important role, pigseye.
If you think this information wasn't present at the time True North formed it's anti-coup against the government forces behind this project, NOW our participation of any future stadium being built will have equal amount of support. The difference being that this time, the truth will be had rather than purged upon by True North, the government which completely underminded the process of it's citizens as a part of our better understanding.
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:09 AM
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As much as cartel economics sickens me, the Eaton's saga makes me want to blow chunks. In Eaton's dying days, the billionaire Eaton family had the audacity to send these heartstring-tugging letters to seniors who had long retired from Eaton's which begged them to help the dying retail giant by sending in as much of their pensions as they could spare. This level of greed and depravity is subhuman.
When I hear the name Eaton, I want to go to an Eaton family gathering, take the head of this brood and gut him like a salmon in front of his family while they curiously watch their patriarch flop around the floor.
As for the Eaton's building, if it wasn't for the asbestos embedded throughout the building, I would have led the campaign to 9/11 Eaton's straight to hell.
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(my response)
I feel that.^
What baffles me is how True North thinks they can afford an NHL team. With a 150mil dollar arena, the purchase of a team is app. 175mil. Couple that with a 50mil cap budget just to compete.
quick math:
15000 x 90$avg. per seat= 1,125 000mil
1,125 000 x 40game season= 45, 000 000mil
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If the c.e.o. mark chipman leads an ad hoc attempt to the table (as the ever so insightful WFP randy turner suggests have 'secret council meetings with the NHL.'. . .) the mts centre 15,000 sold out seats at 90$_!! a seat.
I'm accounting luxury boxes in the 90$ avg per seat, ergo, even if each seat were a bottom feeding 50$_per game, per seat, hypothetically the 90$ range is a good average. (i.e. educated guess)
Without concessions/parking, revenue sharing (a must), or profits from sales, chipman is telling us he'll clear 45mil in ticket sales alone.
This follows. . .
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linear pattern of logic, that cheap skates will bow to chimpans idealized godzilla wearing suit made of crackerjack sized boxes. Do you see the oxymoron yet??
(this follows. . .)
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If pessimism isn't your skeptical domain, let's consider chipman's investment were to become reality, he has generated a fan base that brings a total of $45mil per year in ticket sales alone - which covers the cost of putting a competing team on the ice. Any profit that True North makes is based on concerts as well as the NHL teams proxy. This means tv revenues which make up the lions share of Canadian markets, double Chipman's chances of turning the NHL into a profitable_wpg_based_market. That is the question?
Yes, yes it is.
(this follows. . .)
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with or without a 45mil 'exit strategy' of 15,000 seats per game to cover the cost certainty of player salaries. Chimpman thinks True North can assure any losses based on the fact the arena is being paid for by the tax-payer which acts as collateral. This also means anything Chipman believes True North corp. can afford to purchase (as buy into an NHL_wpg sized market), is covered by the %100 profit margin True North achieves per annuum, without any compensation toward the monetary public (taxpayer).
(this follows. . . )
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True North seriously believing the NHL has any interest in moving to wpg, because the capital$_$formula is here. . .
A fan base brand of former jet loyalists that will unquivocally sell out the building for at least a 5-10 year minuimum at 60-100$ per game.
The answer(s) are simply in the magical_recipe provided to True North by you the citizen of Winnipeg.
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According to the Term Sheet and other information prepared by government authorities at the time the deal was done, the private owners of the True North arena were to receive direct subsidies of at least $1.5 million annually from VLT revenues, of which at least $1.125 million represents the foregone share that ordinarily would go to the provincial government.
The $1.5 million, remember, is a projected minimum. True North, or its assignee, gets 75 per cent, or $3 million, of the first $4 million of the revenue generated by its 50 VLTs. After $4 million they get the usual 20 per cent.
In addition, it was estimated at the time that another $2.2 million would go to the owners of the arena annually out of business and entertainment taxes that otherwise would be collected and kept by the city.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
This^ is the total cost of the mts centre for True North, or in other words, a hand is kept in your pocket while the potential for an NHL franchise were it to be hatched.
This is important information, if you THINK about it, only because a plot to exercise any $capital interest$ in a future NHL team does not rest on the the city. . . the NHL would have to be convinced it can squeeze the life out of it's investors.
If True North were to run the NHL in mts centre, the projected 5-10 year period of %100_capacity might break even through expenses (i.e.player salaries) depending on profits its allocated. The point being, if True North were to place half the costs from %50_capacity in mts centre, Mark Chipman may not benefit from the deal given to him by the government, nor would the NHL be willing to participate.
In a successful mts centre, Mark Chipman's NHL team would have to break even by covering all the costs, at %100 capacity, but would not be able to turn a profit at 60-75% capacity. The state of that happening would entail cutting loss.
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Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
Still, in 2008, the total property tax saving will come to more than $1.1 million. There's the other 20 per cent of the mortgage payment, and then some.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 09:13 PM
Joined: Apr 06, 2005
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bigcanadiano wrote:
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
Quebec City is what, 400 years old this year ?
Somehow, a dilapidated department store in Winnipeg, is hard to imagine as a Taj-Mahal. Except maybe if your a rat or a roach.
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(my response)
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What this means is that the actual cash invested in the arena was $58.5 million, of which $40.5 million, or 69.2 per cent came from the taxpayers and $18 million, or 30.8 per cent came from the private owners. So, really, the people who get all of the profit and have all of the control of the arena put up less than a third of the capital invested, and, as already noted, only 15 per cent of the total cost.
Put another way, for every $1 invested by the private owners, they got an immediate gift from the taxpayers of $2.25 of equity. That's right. On Day 1 they tripled their money with more to come.
^This (in italics.) =
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If it had been built on a vacant site already owned by the government, you could subtract from that the $3 million or so that it cost to tear down the Eaton's building.
For those of you doing the math, the actual share of the cost of the arena funded by the people who are reaping 100 per cent of the profits is less than 15 per cent (19 per cent if you accept that the Eaton's site, with the empty building still on it, was worth $5 million and not the nominal amount declared for land transfer tax purposes).
It should make you wonder how True North, Glenn Murray, or Gary Doer totally steamrolled the issue. In retrospect anything we were allowed to have knowledge of THEN in clear hindsite, factuality would have certainly played an important role, pigseye.
If you think this information wasn't present at the time True North formed it's anti-coup against the government forces behind this project, NOW our participation of any future stadium being built will have equal amount of support. The difference being that this time, the truth will be had rather than purged upon by True North, the government which completely underminded the process of it's citizens as a part of our better understanding.
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:09 AM
Joined: Aug 26, 2007
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As much as cartel economics sickens me, the Eaton's saga makes me want to blow chunks. In Eaton's dying days, the billionaire Eaton family had the audacity to send these heartstring-tugging letters to seniors who had long retired from Eaton's which begged them to help the dying retail giant by sending in as much of their pensions as they could spare. This level of greed and depravity is subhuman.
When I hear the name Eaton, I want to go to an Eaton family gathering, take the head of this brood and gut him like a salmon in front of his family while they curiously watch their patriarch flop around the floor.
As for the Eaton's building, if it wasn't for the asbestos embedded throughout the building, I would have led the campaign to 9/11 Eaton's straight to hell.
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(my response)
I feel that.^
What baffles me is how True North thinks they can afford an NHL team. With a 150mil dollar arena, the purchase of a team is app. 175mil. Couple that with a 50mil cap budget just to compete.
quick math:
15000 x 90$avg. per seat= 1,125 000mil
1,125 000 x 40game season= 45, 000 000mil
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If the c.e.o. mark chipman leads an ad hoc attempt to the table (as the ever so insightful WFP randy turner suggests have 'secret council meetings with the NHL.'. . .) the mts centre 15,000 sold out seats at 90$_!! a seat.
I'm accounting luxury boxes in the 90$ avg per seat, ergo, even if each seat were a bottom feeding 50$_per game, per seat, hypothetically the 90$ range is a good average. (i.e. educated guess)
Without concessions/parking, revenue sharing (a must), or profits from sales, chipman is telling us he'll clear 45mil in ticket sales alone.
This follows. . .
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linear pattern of logic, that cheap skates will bow to chimpans idealized godzilla wearing suit made of crackerjack sized boxes. Do you see the oxymoron yet??
(this follows. . .)
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If pessimism isn't your skeptical domain, let's consider chipman's investment were to become reality, he has generated a fan base that brings a total of $45mil per year in ticket sales alone - which covers the cost of putting a competing team on the ice. Any profit that True North makes is based on concerts as well as the NHL teams proxy. This means tv revenues which make up the lions share of Canadian markets, double Chipman's chances of turning the NHL into a profitable_wpg_based_market. That is the question?
Yes, yes it is.
(this follows. . .)
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with or without a 45mil 'exit strategy' of 15,000 seats per game to cover the cost certainty of player salaries. Chimpman thinks True North can assure any losses based on the fact the arena is being paid for by the tax-payer which acts as collateral. This also means anything Chipman believes True North corp. can afford to purchase (as buy into an NHL_wpg sized market), is covered by the %100 profit margin True North achieves per annuum, without any compensation toward the monetary public (taxpayer).
(this follows. . . )
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True North seriously believing the NHL has any interest in moving to wpg, because the capital$_$formula is here. . .
A fan base brand of former jet loyalists that will unquivocally sell out the building for at least a 5-10 year minuimum at 60-100$ per game.
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
plagarizing demiurge
If not for Taman, I think we need to add a 'locker room' type player. Someone that would add depth to a position, that is a face we know. Otherwise, if Berry is content in leaving Kevin Glenn to burn us out with no points in the 1st quarter, put Dinwiddie in. Without points, or if our defense commits another suicide mission, I expect to see Dinwiddie into start the 2nd half. Bryan Randall needs something to look at for god sake.
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Allow me to be honest with you, before jumping to conclusions if for a moment you believe our civic politicians would do anything to have saved face over the mts centre, thus protecting the Eaton's building from kingdom-come. Therefore, then the taboo of politicians "are all corrupt" is true.
I think, if more people thought about what's NOT being done, at least one political voice could have changed the outcome.
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
That being said, if you consider how intellectually dishonest political leaders are then knock yourself out. People of that sophistication have fallen off the evolutionary scale perhaps. It doesn't mean the brain seizes to work.
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Allow me to be honest with you, before jumping to conclusions if for a moment you believe our civic politicians would do anything to have saved face over the mts centre, thus protecting the Eaton's building from kingdom-come. Therefore, then the taboo of politicians "are all corrupt" is true.
I think, if more people thought about what's NOT being done, at least one political voice could have changed the outcome.
My point was this: where else in this country is there a landmark such as eaton's?? I would tell you that there are probably no chance of finding it. By historical (cnd.) standards, it is not a far fetched argument to make that eaton's (again. . . by cnd. standards) is equivilant to the Taj-Mahal. It is inexcusable to me, that a country so short in existence completely absent minded of what this building represented exactly? Into this short millenium, you would think the government even in it's short period compared to other nations, would have thought something. They didn't. . . it's unbelievable to me.
That being said, if you consider how intellectually dishonest political leaders are then knock yourself out. People of that sophistication have fallen off the evolutionary scale perhaps. It doesn't mean the brain seizes to work.
characterizing virtue
The sweetheart part of the deal for the private owners is that they are guaranteed these subsidies for 25 years whether they need them or not.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
This is what constructive joe-taxpayer has been rewarded. True North and its subsidiary investors are reaping the profit margins, for an arena that is essentially being paid for BUT NOT OWNED by the public sector. In truth, True North is being BOUGHT A BUILDING FROM WINNIPEG PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. . . for FREE!!! In fact, Winnipeggers MUST ENJOY hiding in their fox-holes so much that it makes True North look a lot better getting filthy rich.
If this above paragraph eludes the average citizen of this city, you will begin to understand how Eaton's did not have to be demolished.
Sadly this is all just academic.
Everything, Eaton's itself, having stood up until past 2000a.d. deserved a better fate, but not ONE civil servant risked breeching something so totally unavoidable? It is absolutely mind boggling how a country such as ours just let this happen the way it has.
This is divisive of Sam Katz extrodinary cowardice on the same type of issue.
The fact(s)
1- Eaton's = destroyed
2- Canada has no sense of soveriegty that it allows it's tax-payers to have our eyes gouged out (follows. . .)
3- True North inexplicably (as the Bombers sorry excuse for a football team) have a building built for them FOR FREE - (follows)
4- Mark Chipman's associates keep 100% of the profits.
The True North project cost taxpayers $40.5 million up-front and taxpayers are committed to subsidies and tax concessions of about $5 million a year for 25 years, or another $125 million over time.
The private owners put $18 million and made no commitment to make further investments if the project should turn sour, but they get all of the profit.
Unbelievable to me is that not 1 Winnipegger I know, even cares that the profit Mark Chipman is making off of this can feed our children and our childrens children all because of the the MTS Centre built for True North.
And nobody cares.
Unbelievable, even as I write this. The Eaton's building was a waste.
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Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 10:06 PM
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iunno what exactly your talking about big. I agree with the article and the fact that the mts centre was funded largely by the public sector and had next to no information on its actual funding. and agree that the same thing for the football stadium but asper has been alot more open abot it and has shown much more willingness to spend his own money to do so and has gaurenteed to pay back the public fundings within 5 years.
all i am saying about UPAs post is that at the time aspers proposal was choosen, mulitple proposals were made and were looked at. he states ledehoski doesnt want to own our team. i was making my point at that statment by him.
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in my opinion the mts centre is by and large the worst issue of incomptence i can equate, notwithstanding the article as it stands on its own merit. That being said, as a canadian born and raised in winnipeg, my own opinion has little edge, seeing I am biased (admittedly) to saving the now raped/pillaged eaton's building done by none other than Mark Chipman, Glen Murray, and Gary Doer.
The article only provides just how "risk free" the government can milk it's consumer as a tax-paying entity? What that question concerns me as a citizen is the government of manitoba, will on account of provincial litigation treat it's citizen as part of an ENTERPRISE WHICH WE ARE NOT. In fact, Mark Chipman (as it stated in the article. . . ) is a piece of the monopoly which goes something like, "I am a citizen for the tax-payer in this community, who will wager all the money invested into this (True North Corp.)and do solemnly swear to honor all prevailing monetary costs allocated into my PRIVATE BUSINESS - LOL -!!!) In the larger scheme of things Mark Chipman acted as the alibi in terms of a government loop hole - (an enterprise) - made up of frailty (i.e. joe-taxpayer.)" This is based on the condition I propose that the government of manitoba singlehandedly maneuvered without any recourse of action to legitimately inform the public of it's wrong-doing.
^This is the crux of the article, which based on formality, is telling us that the wool was being pulled over our eyes without it being questioned. Not only were we played for as tax-paying entities; but the average citizen were left blinded by the government. This is to say: the government knowlingly deceived it's main investor (the public monetary interest) into an illigitimate partnership through True North as if it is legally binding enough to withstand the peril of public opinions resolve.
Cont.
Also, it is in my opinion the government of Canada (YES. . . CANADA) failed not only the citizens of winnipeg but in large part the legal aspect of demolishing of the former Eaton's building. . . is without a doubt a crime that has gone unforseen due to the incredible loss of such an important piece of history. The reason being, that in an age such as this, Canada is less than a 200 year old nation, yet, to let Eatons go unpreserved, unprenounced and unwanted speaks volumes for the lack of vision or intiative. It was a shame to watch it happen and feel powerless because of it.
Any winnipegger or Canadian across the nation should be ashamed not knowing how significant a crime this was. People are completely clueless as to those that say, "It was necessary for downtown." Completely and utterly ignorant to standards that accompany it.
thank you,
bigc.
P.S. If this article doesn't make sense to you, or the impertinence of Mark Chipman, Glen Murray and True North. . . think again. Sam Katz wants to make his name something to be remembered, yet he flip flops on a stadium for point douglas.
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Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:50 PM
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all is well big. And just a point on Katz with point douglasw an stadium design. he is ina tight spot really. with him and apser running can-west as direct buisness partners. aspers is expecting him to be on his side, while katz has to be reliable for bettering the city. and although i personally think the design is a fantastic idea i also have limited knowledge of all aspects.
but i agree the sam katz flip flops decisions has to me he runs the city more like a buisness then a city.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/westview/story/4198276p-4789875c.html
^This article should be taken very seriously. It is a code of ethics, that many ignorant to it have no idea of.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:52 AM
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This is actually a decent post by '99'. But spidey, let's lay off the incest remarks, huh?
Anyhow, I was going to make another topic post, but this one is clearly intelligent enough to subscribe to it, eh.
Tonight on Doug Brown's show, I wanted to call in, but I repressed the urge. The truth is there is no urge.
The positives:
When the best players on our team are Ryan Dinwiddie and Derrick Armstrong, those are the postives.
The negatives:
. . . However, Doug and Wheeler made a feeble attempt to give fans a "let's feel sorry for ourselves" which is a good diversion for those types that are in remorse.
Spidey brings up key elements to the unravelling this season of a Stephen King novel. The novelty "We got it goin' on" is wearing thin on Bauer or Taman. This brings us to unquestionably the coaching.
Who is to blame? . . .you decipher the rest.
Here is my endorsement:
Berry = player's coach. He has mimicked Don Matthew's to a tee. Problem is we are not Mtl We do not have A. Calvillo. We have Kevin Glenn. To make a long story short; we have players that love Berry's strategy, but have to be resiliant with what's given to them. That's what a players coach does. At this level of play, the players are responsible for what needs to be done on the field.
All Players = they're playing for last year. Berry instills what he thought was critical for success. Unlike Matthew's, Berry thought he could count on the players to play at a high level without resorting to dirty tactics Matthew's is infamous of. We know Matthew's common knowledge was to win at any cost, put player's competing against each other, endorsed decpetive kinds of tactics preparing for the opposition which meant attempting to injure (i.e. Milt Stegall / D. Sanchez) . . . Bringing in players from other teams practice rosters for strategy purposes. . . doing fake punts on no grounds necessary for it, like running up the score etc. Berry does not do this whatsoever with his players, and respects their intelligence. (This follows. . . )
Troy Westwood: some people are using this as a cop out card against berry. This is simply untrue. Berry's philosophy proves one thing: never put yourself ahead of the team. Troy Westwood was a cancer at this. No matter what any one says that is the truth. Same goes for Keith Stokes. A guy who holds a babies rattle just so he can be the focus (as Stokes was) is not Bomber football.
In conclusion: I blame not berry but the players. This is not about blaming the victim, which in all fairness to berry would be just that. He's done everything he's taken from his experience in Montreal, and the Bombers have one thing to do, which is, be resiliant. Mtl, Ham, or Tor are easily beatable teams. Ham is not a darkhorse by any stretch. I still say they are over-achieving, and MTL will fizzle to smash mouth football. Tor is a joke in waiting. The season is not over for the Bombers, but every indication says otherwise. I thought Edm. would be the worst team in the CFL this year, but the Bomber's can really do the Eskimos proud.
The sad truth is it is the players that are at fault and not berry. He wanted Glenn to call his own plays, by this time in "the program" I'll bet you my ridiculous wager of $01. that Glenn hasn't even stepped up to the plate yet, while Gumby flies down on a parachute @ Canada Inns with Bob the Snob Irving announcing 'WE'RE BEING ATTACKED' over. . . and over. . . Next thing you know, Gumby's shifty moves breaks every Bomber tackler for a td return.
Berry thinking, "SIGN HIM UP."
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:10 AM
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BTW - the term 'suicide football' is a great analogy. The Bombers are really making a name of it and should feel privileged to coin it. Truly unbelievable start this season.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:03 PM
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big you make great points. to me there are aspects of the game that coaching is at full blame though. we always make the same little msitakes game in and game out that hurt us. but other then those i fully agree. the players have a lack of heart and effort. they don't show the same will or passion to play or win games and it obviously is killing this team.
Me i like our OC Kit cartwright a little better then our previous guy, but in the past few seasons i began calling him the drive killer. make a few great plays march down field and then call a 2nd down play that is doomed from the snap count. and now this year for some reason we instigated the roll out. to me i hate this idea, and our team is not set up for it. a roll out is made for a fast QB and a sloppy oline lets look at vick and the flacons for that, he could roll out and had the speed to get in a throwing position or take off. our team has a strong offensive line and a pretty immobile qb in Glenn, he does not have the speed t get outside and set up a pass or take off. to me all the roll out does is take away half of glenns options.
which leads down to play calling altogether. it has been bad, REAL bad. even if we don't give roberts the ball we have to leave him in the back field for the snap count. when we drop roberts out the db's back off and gain the upper hand on our recievers. if Glenn is calling the plays i say we go back to the drive killer to do it, and if the drive killer is calling them then i say we give glenn the chance.
really at this rate thier s no harm, the team is 0-3 and sinking faster each game. anythign new could bring a different aspect to the game that could infact start winning us football games.
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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You think my points were fair? That's falttering to me, because after reading the points you made (which I also agree with) it tells me what a disaster this season is thus far. That's not an insult, it's the truth of it that hurts more.
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Post subject: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:39 PM
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We've all seen this before in the Khari Jones years. The Blue Bomber bus had the makings of a Grey Cup champion, but just couldn't make it to the top of the mountain.
History repeats itself in more ways than one. After an arm (& heart)breaking playoff season, the supposed-to-be Grey Cup Champions begin to self-destruct. Listening to Berry gripe about the enthusiasm of some of his players in public, poisoning the locker room atmosphere, players not having faith in their coaches, etc. reminded me of the end of the Dave Richie saga.
Just as we finally said bye-bye to Dave Ritchie, we'll soon be saying goodbye to Doug Berry and crew at the end of the season, if not sooner. We might as well take that snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer behind the barn with the coaches and make a fresh start when new management takes over. Taman will be a good GM.
We know the Bombers will get punked next week against the Lions and will probably lose to the Stamps, making us 0-6. Dare I say, "Remember the Reinbold years?"
There's more talent here than in the Reinbold era, but it's obvious that the Dave Berry version of the Bombers peaked last year and is likely the worst team in the CFL. Full credit has to go to the Tabbies, Argos (ew), Riders, Esks, and Als who have upgraded their rosters this year while we bent over backwards to stay intact, believing we were good enough to make it to the top of the mountain.
I feel bad for Milt, but his individual accolades and a spot in the Hall of Fame will have to be enough. For the rest of us, it's time to take out the paper bags and join the hall of shame. At least the beer I bring from home is cold.
So, before the first dollar of rent is collected for any event, a minimum of $3.7 million in income every year for 25 years, comes from the province and city.
Remember that $60 million mortgage? It is, not coincidentally, amortized over 25 years. A garden variety mortgage with blended payments including interest at six per cent per annum over that period of time would need about $4.6 million per year to fully service.
This is what constructive joe-taxpayer has been rewarded. True North and its subsidiary investors are reaping the profit margins, for an arena that is essentially being paid for BUT NOT OWNED by the public sector. In truth, True North is being BOUGHT A BUILDING FROM WINNIPEG PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. . . for FREE!!! In fact, Winnipeggers MUST ENJOY hiding in their fox-holes so much that it makes True North look a lot better getting filthy rich.
If this above paragraph eludes the average citizen of this city, you will begin to understand how Eaton's did not have to be demolished.
Sadly this is all just academic.
Everything, Eaton's itself, having stood up until past 2000a.d. deserved a better fate, but not ONE civil servant risked breeching something so totally unavoidable? It is absolutely mind boggling how a country such as ours just let this happen the way it has.
This is divisive of Sam Katz extrodinary cowardice on the same type of issue.
The fact(s)
1- Eaton's = destroyed
2- Canada has no sense of soveriegty that it allows it's tax-payers to have our eyes gouged out (follows. . .)
3- True North inexplicably (as the Bombers sorry excuse for a football team) have a building built for them FOR FREE - (follows)
4- Mark Chipman's associates keep 100% of the profits.
The True North project cost taxpayers $40.5 million up-front and taxpayers are committed to subsidies and tax concessions of about $5 million a year for 25 years, or another $125 million over time.
The private owners put $18 million and made no commitment to make further investments if the project should turn sour, but they get all of the profit.
Unbelievable to me is that not 1 Winnipegger I know, even cares that the profit Mark Chipman is making off of this can feed our children and our childrens children all because of the the MTS Centre built for True North.
And nobody cares.
Unbelievable, even as I write this. The Eaton's building was a waste.
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Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 10:06 PM
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iunno what exactly your talking about big. I agree with the article and the fact that the mts centre was funded largely by the public sector and had next to no information on its actual funding. and agree that the same thing for the football stadium but asper has been alot more open abot it and has shown much more willingness to spend his own money to do so and has gaurenteed to pay back the public fundings within 5 years.
all i am saying about UPAs post is that at the time aspers proposal was choosen, mulitple proposals were made and were looked at. he states ledehoski doesnt want to own our team. i was making my point at that statment by him.
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in my opinion the mts centre is by and large the worst issue of incomptence i can equate, notwithstanding the article as it stands on its own merit. That being said, as a canadian born and raised in winnipeg, my own opinion has little edge, seeing I am biased (admittedly) to saving the now raped/pillaged eaton's building done by none other than Mark Chipman, Glen Murray, and Gary Doer.
The article only provides just how "risk free" the government can milk it's consumer as a tax-paying entity? What that question concerns me as a citizen is the government of manitoba, will on account of provincial litigation treat it's citizen as part of an ENTERPRISE WHICH WE ARE NOT. In fact, Mark Chipman (as it stated in the article. . . ) is a piece of the monopoly which goes something like, "I am a citizen for the tax-payer in this community, who will wager all the money invested into this (True North Corp.)and do solemnly swear to honor all prevailing monetary costs allocated into my PRIVATE BUSINESS - LOL -!!!) In the larger scheme of things Mark Chipman acted as the alibi in terms of a government loop hole - (an enterprise) - made up of frailty (i.e. joe-taxpayer.)" This is based on the condition I propose that the government of manitoba singlehandedly maneuvered without any recourse of action to legitimately inform the public of it's wrong-doing.
^This is the crux of the article, which based on formality, is telling us that the wool was being pulled over our eyes without it being questioned. Not only were we played for as tax-paying entities; but the average citizen were left blinded by the government. This is to say: the government knowlingly deceived it's main investor (the public monetary interest) into an illigitimate partnership through True North as if it is legally binding enough to withstand the peril of public opinions resolve.
Cont.
Also, it is in my opinion the government of Canada (YES. . . CANADA) failed not only the citizens of winnipeg but in large part the legal aspect of demolishing of the former Eaton's building. . . is without a doubt a crime that has gone unforseen due to the incredible loss of such an important piece of history. The reason being, that in an age such as this, Canada is less than a 200 year old nation, yet, to let Eatons go unpreserved, unprenounced and unwanted speaks volumes for the lack of vision or intiative. It was a shame to watch it happen and feel powerless because of it.
Any winnipegger or Canadian across the nation should be ashamed not knowing how significant a crime this was. People are completely clueless as to those that say, "It was necessary for downtown." Completely and utterly ignorant to standards that accompany it.
thank you,
bigc.
P.S. If this article doesn't make sense to you, or the impertinence of Mark Chipman, Glen Murray and True North. . . think again. Sam Katz wants to make his name something to be remembered, yet he flip flops on a stadium for point douglas.
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Post subject: RE: pertaining to incompetent leaders Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:50 PM
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all is well big. And just a point on Katz with point douglasw an stadium design. he is ina tight spot really. with him and apser running can-west as direct buisness partners. aspers is expecting him to be on his side, while katz has to be reliable for bettering the city. and although i personally think the design is a fantastic idea i also have limited knowledge of all aspects.
but i agree the sam katz flip flops decisions has to me he runs the city more like a buisness then a city.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/westview/story/4198276p-4789875c.html
^This article should be taken very seriously. It is a code of ethics, that many ignorant to it have no idea of.
= ========
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:52 AM
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This is actually a decent post by '99'. But spidey, let's lay off the incest remarks, huh?
Anyhow, I was going to make another topic post, but this one is clearly intelligent enough to subscribe to it, eh.
Tonight on Doug Brown's show, I wanted to call in, but I repressed the urge. The truth is there is no urge.
The positives:
When the best players on our team are Ryan Dinwiddie and Derrick Armstrong, those are the postives.
The negatives:
. . . However, Doug and Wheeler made a feeble attempt to give fans a "let's feel sorry for ourselves" which is a good diversion for those types that are in remorse.
Spidey brings up key elements to the unravelling this season of a Stephen King novel. The novelty "We got it goin' on" is wearing thin on Bauer or Taman. This brings us to unquestionably the coaching.
Who is to blame? . . .you decipher the rest.
Here is my endorsement:
Berry = player's coach. He has mimicked Don Matthew's to a tee. Problem is we are not Mtl We do not have A. Calvillo. We have Kevin Glenn. To make a long story short; we have players that love Berry's strategy, but have to be resiliant with what's given to them. That's what a players coach does. At this level of play, the players are responsible for what needs to be done on the field.
All Players = they're playing for last year. Berry instills what he thought was critical for success. Unlike Matthew's, Berry thought he could count on the players to play at a high level without resorting to dirty tactics Matthew's is infamous of. We know Matthew's common knowledge was to win at any cost, put player's competing against each other, endorsed decpetive kinds of tactics preparing for the opposition which meant attempting to injure (i.e. Milt Stegall / D. Sanchez) . . . Bringing in players from other teams practice rosters for strategy purposes. . . doing fake punts on no grounds necessary for it, like running up the score etc. Berry does not do this whatsoever with his players, and respects their intelligence. (This follows. . . )
Troy Westwood: some people are using this as a cop out card against berry. This is simply untrue. Berry's philosophy proves one thing: never put yourself ahead of the team. Troy Westwood was a cancer at this. No matter what any one says that is the truth. Same goes for Keith Stokes. A guy who holds a babies rattle just so he can be the focus (as Stokes was) is not Bomber football.
In conclusion: I blame not berry but the players. This is not about blaming the victim, which in all fairness to berry would be just that. He's done everything he's taken from his experience in Montreal, and the Bombers have one thing to do, which is, be resiliant. Mtl, Ham, or Tor are easily beatable teams. Ham is not a darkhorse by any stretch. I still say they are over-achieving, and MTL will fizzle to smash mouth football. Tor is a joke in waiting. The season is not over for the Bombers, but every indication says otherwise. I thought Edm. would be the worst team in the CFL this year, but the Bomber's can really do the Eskimos proud.
The sad truth is it is the players that are at fault and not berry. He wanted Glenn to call his own plays, by this time in "the program" I'll bet you my ridiculous wager of $01. that Glenn hasn't even stepped up to the plate yet, while Gumby flies down on a parachute @ Canada Inns with Bob the Snob Irving announcing 'WE'RE BEING ATTACKED' over. . . and over. . . Next thing you know, Gumby's shifty moves breaks every Bomber tackler for a td return.
Berry thinking, "SIGN HIM UP."
bigcanadiano
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:10 AM
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BTW - the term 'suicide football' is a great analogy. The Bombers are really making a name of it and should feel privileged to coin it. Truly unbelievable start this season.
footballmad
Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:03 PM
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big you make great points. to me there are aspects of the game that coaching is at full blame though. we always make the same little msitakes game in and game out that hurt us. but other then those i fully agree. the players have a lack of heart and effort. they don't show the same will or passion to play or win games and it obviously is killing this team.
Me i like our OC Kit cartwright a little better then our previous guy, but in the past few seasons i began calling him the drive killer. make a few great plays march down field and then call a 2nd down play that is doomed from the snap count. and now this year for some reason we instigated the roll out. to me i hate this idea, and our team is not set up for it. a roll out is made for a fast QB and a sloppy oline lets look at vick and the flacons for that, he could roll out and had the speed to get in a throwing position or take off. our team has a strong offensive line and a pretty immobile qb in Glenn, he does not have the speed t get outside and set up a pass or take off. to me all the roll out does is take away half of glenns options.
which leads down to play calling altogether. it has been bad, REAL bad. even if we don't give roberts the ball we have to leave him in the back field for the snap count. when we drop roberts out the db's back off and gain the upper hand on our recievers. if Glenn is calling the plays i say we go back to the drive killer to do it, and if the drive killer is calling them then i say we give glenn the chance.
really at this rate thier s no harm, the team is 0-3 and sinking faster each game. anythign new could bring a different aspect to the game that could infact start winning us football games.
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On Game Day We All Play!
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Post subject: RE: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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You think my points were fair? That's falttering to me, because after reading the points you made (which I also agree with) it tells me what a disaster this season is thus far. That's not an insult, it's the truth of it that hurts more.
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Post subject: Blame it on the coaches Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:39 PM
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We've all seen this before in the Khari Jones years. The Blue Bomber bus had the makings of a Grey Cup champion, but just couldn't make it to the top of the mountain.
History repeats itself in more ways than one. After an arm (& heart)breaking playoff season, the supposed-to-be Grey Cup Champions begin to self-destruct. Listening to Berry gripe about the enthusiasm of some of his players in public, poisoning the locker room atmosphere, players not having faith in their coaches, etc. reminded me of the end of the Dave Richie saga.
Just as we finally said bye-bye to Dave Ritchie, we'll soon be saying goodbye to Doug Berry and crew at the end of the season, if not sooner. We might as well take that snarly old buzzard Lyle Bauer behind the barn with the coaches and make a fresh start when new management takes over. Taman will be a good GM.
We know the Bombers will get punked next week against the Lions and will probably lose to the Stamps, making us 0-6. Dare I say, "Remember the Reinbold years?"
There's more talent here than in the Reinbold era, but it's obvious that the Dave Berry version of the Bombers peaked last year and is likely the worst team in the CFL. Full credit has to go to the Tabbies, Argos (ew), Riders, Esks, and Als who have upgraded their rosters this year while we bent over backwards to stay intact, believing we were good enough to make it to the top of the mountain.
I feel bad for Milt, but his individual accolades and a spot in the Hall of Fame will have to be enough. For the rest of us, it's time to take out the paper bags and join the hall of shame. At least the beer I bring from home is cold.
the act of pretending
RedandWhite
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:38 PM
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...what difference does it make that I'm a mod, I'd say the same thing anyway...I just found it, in your words, absurd that you would quote jm calling her post 'laughable' in it's wordsmithing when the one you wrote afterwards was even less understandable...
...sorry, I don't smoke either...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:27 PM
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No, what I found laughable was a double standard that one who pulls rank, such as a mod using indiscretion to insinuate what a posters remarks actually mean.
(Yeah, kind of like that r/w.)
My entire line of reasoning has been brought about unknowing she was a mod, until she pm'd with her unmistakeable use of proper conduct.
I only state what is in fact, that nobody took the remarks seriously, they were candid. Thus no need to enforce the "rules". It's not as if the incest remarks were made on Rider-boards, which would be totally wrong.
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Thank you for the encouragment? At any rate, I had no idea the mod/poster was indeed a mod to begin with. In r&w's response which he quotes me, (mockingly - of course) has nothing to do with internet etiquette on his part, yet I take the liberty to reply. See how that works?? The point I was making was done in good faith. As well, there is no reason to give warning to posters that "DON'T FOLLOW GUIDLINES/RULES/REGULATIONS - LOL" when there is no need for it. There is a fine line when telling the difference between what is parody on the internet and what is in fact reality. Some people, yes even mods - are truly guilty of absurdity themselves.
Put it in your peace pipe. . .
"brutha".
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Okay, and I feel wholeheartedly that in the same manner of discretion you are pertinent upon.
^this. . . my response to== = =========>
For the record, spidey99 clearly suggests otherwise.
What does it matter who speaks for whom? The issue is that talk of that sort (and not by you, so why are you getting all bent out of shape anyway?) is inappropriate on an all-ages public forum.
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(I respond)
You just fired off a pm, expecting to engage in some kind of psychological banter, that has no place on a public forum or have any insite into the fairytale world of something someone else said. Nobody has to believe it. Yet, I clearly stated that no matter what the person in question's intent was, it's not to be taken seriously. However, you incited me in the (pm) that I'm making 'idiotic' posts that seems to fit your misunderstanding of my response to you.
Therefore, it's a threat you pose when no threat was even mentioned toward you, then you proceed to antagonize through patronizing me.
What else. . . oh yeah, the wording you use is rather convenient seeing you hail from prince albert, which means to me you're a moral authority which you aren't. Let people decide for themselves.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:55 AM
Joined: Jul 06, 2005
Posts: 8690
Location: Prince Albert
No, I sent a PM to you explaining the situation. I have no desire to get into anything psychological with you whatsoever.
Perhaps you should realize you are overreacting here, and also recognize that the forum guidelines state that comments deemed in appropriate by the moderating crew have no place on the board. I ran the comments by another moderator (not a Saskatchewan fan) and they also deemed them inappropriate.
I think you really need to take a breath and come back later. Bringing things into the public light that were meant for private messaging is kind of sleazy, if you ask me, and it seems you need some time to reflect.
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jm02 wrote:
I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves,
BTW - ^this wording is just laughable.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:41 AM
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Location: Prince Albert
Care to explain why? And you do know that the post in question referred to the fans as inbred hicks, right? So there blows your statement right out of the water...
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I wrote:
pfft. get off it already. we don't care. that was my main point. Nobody justifies who represents what, otherwise you're wasting your time. There's no need to tell anyone how plain and ignorant a person's opinions are. It's a matter of intelligence that negates you from the norm.
Nobody says Sask. fans are inbreds unless it's troy westwood who's (thank goodness) out of a bomber uni.
Go post @ cflzone.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:22 AM
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Location: Prince Albert
This has nothing to do with "Rider Pride" - I don't even consider myself to have it, since I am in no way affiliated with the successes of the team, but hey, if that's the type of person you want representing the rest of you, go hard...I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves, in any capacity...calling an entire population inbred hicks and talking about cornholing a relative isn't exactly becoming of a human being...there's smack, and then there is just plain ignorance.
But it's your call...so, have fun, 'Peg fans! Bigcanadiano wants you all to be represented by the one who made those comments, it seems...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:18 AM
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Either sit this one out or go post on reider's board begat migs chosen pro-rider outfit. Rider-pride doesn't fly here.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 08:31 PM
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Location: Prince Albert
Yes...always good sportsmanship to namecall and insult...
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:57 PM
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Give the inbred hicks their due. After winning 3 Grey Cups in the last 100 years (98, close enough) let them brag and cheer for all they're worth.
Watching the Riders win the Cup is like seeing Hailey's comet; it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Just don't get too drunk celebrating again, Migs. Cuz wasn't keen on the cornholin' ya gave her last Novemeber;)
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:59 PM
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Yes, not to steal your thunder here but I had understood it was a ri_lol_der fan.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:49 PM
Joined: Apr 06, 2005
Posts: 4424
^
You do realize that was written by a Rider fan (Migs I believe) ?
Some of then still seem to need to convince themselves of their victory.
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If Kevin Glenn played in the Grey Cup, do you guys still believe that the Bombers were guaranteed the championship? All offseason many of you guys whined and cried thousands of times that the Riders GreyCup win was tarnished because Kevin Glenn didn't play in the big game yet thus far this season he has resembled Kevin Federick more than anything. You guys held on to that excuse to get you through the offseason and methinks we can finally put that one to bed. Its unfortunate you guys had to start your 2nd stringer who started his first game, yet on Saturday afternoon we showed that even a 3rd stringer can come in and win a game in his first start. Here's hoping you guys turn it around soon because Hamilton and Montreal look to be the new Sheriff's in the East.
Cheers
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bahaha. . . i love how this nobody tries so desperately to get his point across, only to prove we'd loved to see Kevin Glenn in the Grey Cup. Only on ourbombers. brilliant.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: ourbombers is a ton of laughs Posted: Jul 12, 2008 - 02:00 PM
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right behind the cflzone. A clown show.
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There is no reason the bombers will contend in the east.
Kevin Glenn has done wonders with a OL of future shriners at 0-3.
+this defense is a j-o-k-e. Unbelievable. A JOKE.
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 01:38 PM
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...what difference does it make that I'm a mod, I'd say the same thing anyway...I just found it, in your words, absurd that you would quote jm calling her post 'laughable' in it's wordsmithing when the one you wrote afterwards was even less understandable...
...sorry, I don't smoke either...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:27 PM
Joined: May 31, 2005
Posts: 186
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No, what I found laughable was a double standard that one who pulls rank, such as a mod using indiscretion to insinuate what a posters remarks actually mean.
(Yeah, kind of like that r/w.)
My entire line of reasoning has been brought about unknowing she was a mod, until she pm'd with her unmistakeable use of proper conduct.
I only state what is in fact, that nobody took the remarks seriously, they were candid. Thus no need to enforce the "rules". It's not as if the incest remarks were made on Rider-boards, which would be totally wrong.
= = = = == my response cont. == = = = = = =
Thank you for the encouragment? At any rate, I had no idea the mod/poster was indeed a mod to begin with. In r&w's response which he quotes me, (mockingly - of course) has nothing to do with internet etiquette on his part, yet I take the liberty to reply. See how that works?? The point I was making was done in good faith. As well, there is no reason to give warning to posters that "DON'T FOLLOW GUIDLINES/RULES/REGULATIONS - LOL" when there is no need for it. There is a fine line when telling the difference between what is parody on the internet and what is in fact reality. Some people, yes even mods - are truly guilty of absurdity themselves.
Put it in your peace pipe. . .
"brutha".
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Okay, and I feel wholeheartedly that in the same manner of discretion you are pertinent upon.
^this. . . my response to== = =========>
For the record, spidey99 clearly suggests otherwise.
What does it matter who speaks for whom? The issue is that talk of that sort (and not by you, so why are you getting all bent out of shape anyway?) is inappropriate on an all-ages public forum.
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(I respond)
You just fired off a pm, expecting to engage in some kind of psychological banter, that has no place on a public forum or have any insite into the fairytale world of something someone else said. Nobody has to believe it. Yet, I clearly stated that no matter what the person in question's intent was, it's not to be taken seriously. However, you incited me in the (pm) that I'm making 'idiotic' posts that seems to fit your misunderstanding of my response to you.
Therefore, it's a threat you pose when no threat was even mentioned toward you, then you proceed to antagonize through patronizing me.
What else. . . oh yeah, the wording you use is rather convenient seeing you hail from prince albert, which means to me you're a moral authority which you aren't. Let people decide for themselves.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:55 AM
Joined: Jul 06, 2005
Posts: 8690
Location: Prince Albert
No, I sent a PM to you explaining the situation. I have no desire to get into anything psychological with you whatsoever.
Perhaps you should realize you are overreacting here, and also recognize that the forum guidelines state that comments deemed in appropriate by the moderating crew have no place on the board. I ran the comments by another moderator (not a Saskatchewan fan) and they also deemed them inappropriate.
I think you really need to take a breath and come back later. Bringing things into the public light that were meant for private messaging is kind of sleazy, if you ask me, and it seems you need some time to reflect.
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jm02 wrote:
I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves,
BTW - ^this wording is just laughable.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:41 AM
Joined: Jul 06, 2005
Posts: 8690
Location: Prince Albert
Care to explain why? And you do know that the post in question referred to the fans as inbred hicks, right? So there blows your statement right out of the water...
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I wrote:
pfft. get off it already. we don't care. that was my main point. Nobody justifies who represents what, otherwise you're wasting your time. There's no need to tell anyone how plain and ignorant a person's opinions are. It's a matter of intelligence that negates you from the norm.
Nobody says Sask. fans are inbreds unless it's troy westwood who's (thank goodness) out of a bomber uni.
Go post @ cflzone.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:22 AM
Joined: Jul 06, 2005
Posts: 8690
Location: Prince Albert
This has nothing to do with "Rider Pride" - I don't even consider myself to have it, since I am in no way affiliated with the successes of the team, but hey, if that's the type of person you want representing the rest of you, go hard...I tend to think a person's worth is determined by how they present themselves, in any capacity...calling an entire population inbred hicks and talking about cornholing a relative isn't exactly becoming of a human being...there's smack, and then there is just plain ignorance.
But it's your call...so, have fun, 'Peg fans! Bigcanadiano wants you all to be represented by the one who made those comments, it seems...
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 12:18 AM
Joined: May 31, 2005
Posts: 186
Status: Online!
Either sit this one out or go post on reider's board begat migs chosen pro-rider outfit. Rider-pride doesn't fly here.
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jm02
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 08:31 PM
Joined: Jul 06, 2005
Posts: 8690
Location: Prince Albert
Yes...always good sportsmanship to namecall and insult...
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spidey99
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:57 PM
Joined: Aug 26, 2007
Posts: 53
Status: Offline
Give the inbred hicks their due. After winning 3 Grey Cups in the last 100 years (98, close enough) let them brag and cheer for all they're worth.
Watching the Riders win the Cup is like seeing Hailey's comet; it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Just don't get too drunk celebrating again, Migs. Cuz wasn't keen on the cornholin' ya gave her last Novemeber;)
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bigcanadiano
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:59 PM
Joined: May 31, 2005
Posts: 186
Status: Online!
Yes, not to steal your thunder here but I had understood it was a ri_lol_der fan.
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PIGSEYE
Post subject: Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:49 PM
Joined: Apr 06, 2005
Posts: 4424
^
You do realize that was written by a Rider fan (Migs I believe) ?
Some of then still seem to need to convince themselves of their victory.
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If Kevin Glenn played in the Grey Cup, do you guys still believe that the Bombers were guaranteed the championship? All offseason many of you guys whined and cried thousands of times that the Riders GreyCup win was tarnished because Kevin Glenn didn't play in the big game yet thus far this season he has resembled Kevin Federick more than anything. You guys held on to that excuse to get you through the offseason and methinks we can finally put that one to bed. Its unfortunate you guys had to start your 2nd stringer who started his first game, yet on Saturday afternoon we showed that even a 3rd stringer can come in and win a game in his first start. Here's hoping you guys turn it around soon because Hamilton and Montreal look to be the new Sheriff's in the East.
Cheers
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bahaha. . . i love how this nobody tries so desperately to get his point across, only to prove we'd loved to see Kevin Glenn in the Grey Cup. Only on ourbombers. brilliant.
bigcanadiano
Post subject: ourbombers is a ton of laughs Posted: Jul 12, 2008 - 02:00 PM
Joined: May 31, 2005
Posts: 186
Status: Online!
right behind the cflzone. A clown show.
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There is no reason the bombers will contend in the east.
Kevin Glenn has done wonders with a OL of future shriners at 0-3.
+this defense is a j-o-k-e. Unbelievable. A JOKE.
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